FedEx 757
Just in, a FedEx 757 landed gear up at Chattanooga Tennessee Airport KCHA . . Early reports say It was intentional as there was a hydraulic problem and they couldn’t use the alternate gear extension system. Again, these are early reports. No injuries reported.
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Originally Posted by MLHeliwrench
(Post 11514883)
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The aircraft involved was N977FD, line number 163, built in 1988 and originally G-BNSD with Air Europe. https://www.planespotters.net/airfra...express/r644l3
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Having had to use Alternate Gear Extension on a 757, lets hope the reason it did not work here is an actual issue, not just a CB as LOT on a 767. Good work getting it on the ground in one peace, without significant injuries. Probably end of the line for this airframe.
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser
(Post 11514981)
Having had to use Alternate Gear Extension on a 757, lets hope the reason it did not work here is an actual issue, not just a CB as LOT on a 767. Good work getting it on the ground in one peace, without significant injuries. Probably end of the line for this airframe.
While narrow body FedEx and UPS aircraft tend to be relatively low hour/cycle for their age, this was originally a passenger 757 and probably racked up a fair number of hours/cycles before FedEx converted it roughly ten years ago. In the old days I could check the Boeing data base and get the latest hour/cycle numbers, but lost that ability when I retired. |
The video of the landing looks just like the end sequence of the film 'Airplane'.
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I suspect no calculations exist for no gear landing. However some data from accidents may exist.
What is the runway required? Seems like 7,000 may not be enough. This was a short flight and may not have been fully loaded. What if it was at MTOW? How would one know runway requirements? |
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Originally Posted by Sandringham1
The video of the landing looks just like the end sequence of the film 'Airplane'.
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Originally Posted by Flch250
(Post 11515101)
I suspect no calculations exist for no gear landing. However some data from accidents may exist.
What is the runway required? Seems like 7,000 may not be enough. This was a short flight and may not have been fully loaded. What if it was at MTOW? How would one know runway requirements? |
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Originally Posted by ZFT
(Post 11515182)
Back in about 1972 when Don Smith, who was the FE on the SAA B707A that performed the wheels up landing at Niarobi.
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I flew the 757/67 for eleven years, other than the LOT 767 gear up I don’t remember another case where the gear could not be extended by any means on either aircraft ?
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
(Post 11515180)
Surely you can't be serious?
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Originally Posted by oceancrosser
(Post 11514981)
Having had to use Alternate Gear Extension on a 757, lets hope the reason it did not work here is an actual issue, not just a CB as LOT on a 767. Good work getting it on the ground in one peace, without significant injuries. Probably end of the line for this airframe.
That said, the LOT 767 that landed in similar fashion at Warsaw Chopin some years ago was a hull loss. |
The 757 alternate gear extension utilizes hydraulic power to release the uplocks which allows the gear to free fall. The 767 utilizes a small electric motor to release the uplocks. The LOT 767 gear up landing was due to a popped circuit breaker which also powered the small electric motor that released the uplocks which then allowed the alternate gear extension to work. 2 different systems, so an electrical issue shouldn’t affect the 757 alternate gear extension system. This will be an interesting investigation.
We had a similar scenario in the C-141, where a crew due to limited fuel, rushed the alternate gear extension checklist and failed to secure the nose gear. It collapsed upon landing. |
Originally Posted by Flch250
(Post 11515101)
I suspect no calculations exist for no gear landing. However some data from accidents may exist.
Based on a few photos, appears that N977FD stopped just short of the localizer antenna, so perhaps about 800 ft of overrun? Must have chewed up a portion of the runway 2 MALSR. |
Originally Posted by Chiefttp
(Post 11515650)
The 757 alternate gear extension utilizes hydraulic power to release the uplocks which allows the gear to free fall.
ref - https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-382117.html If that's true then wouldn't this electric motor have a circuit breaker? |
"Landing Gear Alternate Extension
The alternate landing gear extension system uses a dedicated DC powered electric hydraulic pump. Fluid within the supply line to the pump is sufficient for alternate gear extension operation. This fluid is isolated from the left hydraulic system. Selecting the ALTN GEAR EXTEND switch releases all door and gear uplocks. The landing gear free–fall to the down and locked position." ref - http://navfly.ru/wp-content/uploads/...ons_manual.pdf I have not found any reference to an associated circuit breaker. |
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