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Compton3fox 25th Jul 2023 13:07

Super Scooper down while firefighting on Evia.
 
Sadly, A Greek firefighting plane crashed while performing a mission on the island of Evia, state-run ERT reported Tuesday. The broadcaster showed images of the plane crashing into a ravine in the Karystos area of the island after dropping water on a wildfire.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1683813650132357122

andrasz 25th Jul 2023 13:08

CL-215 down in Greece
 
Sadly another firefighting accident, whole sequence captured on video:


treadigraph 25th Jul 2023 13:14

Part hidden by the TV logo but looks like something clipped off right wing? Something flashes as though tumbling away?

Edit: right hand float breaks away, right wing leading edge possibly damaged as well... Such a sad loss of life.

Twitter link from other thread shows more clearly.


andrasz 25th Jul 2023 13:31


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11473571)
Edit: right hand float breaks away, right wing leading edge possibly damaged as well...

Yes, clipped the large tree just after the start of the drop.

El Grifo 25th Jul 2023 14:32

In Nikiana right now. Zero issues here.
Was admiring a double flypast of a Canadair CL-215 last evening
Spoke to a Greek Mil C130 driver an hour ago.
Tells me it was the selfsame aircraft.

Bugger !!!

El Grifo

Georg1na 25th Jul 2023 14:38

Would a mild clip like that render the aircraft uncontrolable? The wing seems to be all there?

Cough 25th Jul 2023 14:47

Does the right aileron stay up after the wing tip clip?

fluglehrer 25th Jul 2023 15:03

RIP firefighters - evia, greece
 
https://www.aviation24.be/miscellane...sland-of-evia/
july 25,2023

andrasz 25th Jul 2023 15:39


Originally Posted by Georg1na (Post 11473601)
Would a mild clip like that render the aircraft uncontrollable?

If it jams the aileron full up as suggested below, then yes.


Originally Posted by Cough (Post 11473603)
Does the right aileron stay up after the wing tip clip?

Hard to see, could be the case. Left aileron is clearly full up, I cannot discern any rudder.

Lonewolf_50 25th Jul 2023 15:48

Drop load, right turn, and then we see it go down.
(Wonder if an engine quit on them, or rolled back, during the turn?)
Tough to assess from that view. Any idea of the wind direction?

OuchSpud 25th Jul 2023 15:54

I would have thought it flyable afther that clip. It seems to me that the clip knocked it into a steeper bank and scubbed some air speed off, into a attitude that was unrecoverable at that altitude.

Chesty Morgan 25th Jul 2023 15:56


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11473633)
Drop load, right turn, and then we see it go down.
(Wonder if an engine quite on them during the turn?)
Tough to assess from that view. Any idea of the wind direction.

Might have something to do with the right wing versus trees rather than an engine failure.

skadi 25th Jul 2023 16:00


Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan (Post 11473638)
Might have something to do with the right wing versus trees rather than an engine failure.

It looks like the right wing float departed after the tree strike

skadi

Lonewolf_50 25th Jul 2023 16:02

I had to run it a couple more times to see what you referred to. Nice catch.

Auxtank 25th Jul 2023 16:08


Looks like float off as skadi says and perhaps aileron damaged deflected up sending it into right turn and unrecoverable.

RIP

atakacs 25th Jul 2023 16:12

Clipped that tree with the right wing, tore off the right pontoon (possibly jammed/bent the right aileron deflected upward), and put the plane into a hard skid - all at low airspeed. Couldn't roll left, and hard left rudder would have slipped the plane lower. He ran out of options pretty fast. RIP

J.O. 25th Jul 2023 16:16

Far too many 215 crews are dying while being overly aggressive with their drop runs.

clareprop 25th Jul 2023 16:16


Originally Posted by Cough (Post 11473603)
Does the right aileron stay up after the wing tip clip?

I wondered exactly the same . Tragic incident.

albatross 25th Jul 2023 16:19

Sad news in any case.
RIP

sycamore 25th Jul 2023 16:21

Right wingtip float departed ,and appears to have full aileron up,possibly jammed,causing the overbank.....?


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