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atakacs 8th Jan 2023 08:07

Provo Phenom 300 crash 3rd Jan 2023
 
Anyone with more specifics about this crash on Jan 3, 2023 ?
Given the pictures it is amazing that 2 passengers walked form it !

340drvr 8th Jan 2023 10:56

Unofficial reports mention ground personnel observing the jet on takeoff roll, airborne only a few feet, then one wing dropping and striking the ground, sort of cartwheeling. Weather was light snow all day, 800 foot ceilings. Internet conjecture is that maybe one wing iced up during taxi, or such. RIP

lossiemouth 9th Jan 2023 16:50

Don't know if this helps?


ATC Watcher 9th Jan 2023 19:45


Originally Posted by lossiemouth (Post 11362856)

Trim + flaps wrong settings on a 2 men crew , + a very experienced pilot ? must be something else I would say. ..

Teddy Robinson 9th Jan 2023 20:39


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 11362968)
Trim + flaps wrong settings on a 2 men crew , + a very experienced pilot ? must be something else I would say. ..

I tend to agree, this has marked similarities to the CL60 accident at Birmingham (UK) a few years ago.
Cause was determined as asymmetric wing icing caused by partial melting of a non de-iced wing by the outflow of warm air from the APU as I recall.

Aircraft became airborne then rolled inverted.

kind regards. TR.

megan 10th Jan 2023 03:37


Trim + flaps wrong settings on a 2 men crew
Doesn't say it was a two man crew, just that there was some one sitting in the copilot seat. It is certified as a single pilot jet.

bizjetway 10th Jan 2023 09:50

Two Possible Explanations
 
In this video there are two possible explanations to the crash:

atakacs 10th Jan 2023 16:14


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11363142)
Doesn't say it was a two man crew, just that there was some one sitting in the copilot seat. It is certified as a single pilot jet.

It was the owner, who unfortunately did not survive the crash. I don’t think he was certified for this aircraft.

FUMR 10th Jan 2023 17:06

I'm rather surprised that in the guy's video he doesn't even consider icing as another possible cause.

BFSGrad 10th Jan 2023 21:01


Originally Posted by atakacs (Post 11363498)
It was the owner, who unfortunately did not survive the crash. I don’t think he was certified for this aircraft.

Owner is listed in the FAA database as ATP rated, with CE-500, CE-525, and EMB-505 type ratings.

tdracer 10th Jan 2023 21:28


Originally Posted by megan (Post 11363142)
Doesn't say it was a two man crew, just that there was some one sitting in the copilot seat. It is certified as a single pilot jet.

The fellow sitting in the right hand seat wasn't a pilot - reported in the local paper to be a bank CEO on the way to the Rose Bowl college football game. Badly injured but expected to recover.

B2N2 10th Jan 2023 21:53

Owner flown with a non pilot friend in the right seat.
Appears to be a relatively new aircraft which was registered mid last year with likely a type just prior to it.
Maybe tail icing, maybe trim issues, maybe a frozen trim, maybe flap setting.
Bad weather.


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