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Provo Phenom 300 crash 3rd Jan 2023

Old 8th Jan 2023, 09:07
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Provo Phenom 300 crash 3rd Jan 2023

Anyone with more specifics about this crash on Jan 3, 2023 ?
Given the pictures it is amazing that 2 passengers walked form it !

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Old 8th Jan 2023, 11:56
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Unofficial reports mention ground personnel observing the jet on takeoff roll, airborne only a few feet, then one wing dropping and striking the ground, sort of cartwheeling. Weather was light snow all day, 800 foot ceilings. Internet conjecture is that maybe one wing iced up during taxi, or such. RIP
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Old 9th Jan 2023, 17:50
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Don't know if this helps?

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Originally Posted by lossiemouth
Trim + flaps wrong settings on a 2 men crew , + a very experienced pilot ? must be something else I would say. ..
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
Trim + flaps wrong settings on a 2 men crew , + a very experienced pilot ? must be something else I would say. ..
I tend to agree, this has marked similarities to the CL60 accident at Birmingham (UK) a few years ago.
Cause was determined as asymmetric wing icing caused by partial melting of a non de-iced wing by the outflow of warm air from the APU as I recall.

Aircraft became airborne then rolled inverted.

kind regards. TR.
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 04:37
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Trim + flaps wrong settings on a 2 men crew
Doesn't say it was a two man crew, just that there was some one sitting in the copilot seat. It is certified as a single pilot jet.
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Two Possible Explanations

In this video there are two possible explanations to the crash:
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 17:14
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Originally Posted by megan
Doesn't say it was a two man crew, just that there was some one sitting in the copilot seat. It is certified as a single pilot jet.
It was the owner, who unfortunately did not survive the crash. I don’t think he was certified for this aircraft.
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 18:06
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I'm rather surprised that in the guy's video he doesn't even consider icing as another possible cause.
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 22:01
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Originally Posted by atakacs
It was the owner, who unfortunately did not survive the crash. I don’t think he was certified for this aircraft.
Owner is listed in the FAA database as ATP rated, with CE-500, CE-525, and EMB-505 type ratings.
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Old 10th Jan 2023, 22:28
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Originally Posted by megan
Doesn't say it was a two man crew, just that there was some one sitting in the copilot seat. It is certified as a single pilot jet.
The fellow sitting in the right hand seat wasn't a pilot - reported in the local paper to be a bank CEO on the way to the Rose Bowl college football game. Badly injured but expected to recover.
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Owner flown with a non pilot friend in the right seat.
Appears to be a relatively new aircraft which was registered mid last year with likely a type just prior to it.
Maybe tail icing, maybe trim issues, maybe a frozen trim, maybe flap setting.
Bad weather.
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