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ScepticalOptomist 12th Aug 2021 10:15


Originally Posted by anxiao (Post 11092818)
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a8f54f63ef.png
From Avcom via Bhutan CAA
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....026cf10c5f.png
Avcom via Bhutan CAA


When you feel confident you can fly this approach, start your criticism :}

Considering it’s an RNP approach - it’d be pretty straight forward! Even the magenta line babies can do that! :}

pineteam 12th Aug 2021 10:22


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11093969)
Considering it’s an RNP approach - it’d be pretty straight forward! Even the magenta line babies can do that! :}

Agreed! xD.

TURIN 12th Aug 2021 11:02


Originally Posted by highflyer40 (Post 11091939)
There are some airfields around the world where that is physically impossible. Granted this seemed a tad on the rushed side.

I stand corrected. Thankyou.
Now, having watched the analysis in the video above, I have more questions.
The 'navigator' in the jump seat tells the pilot flying to turn right, he doesn't. When he does, it's too late and results in excessive bank angle, overshooting the centreline and late correction resulting in a missed flare and hard arrival.
In my mind there should have been a go around call right after the point where the pilot doesn't follow instructions and turns late. Apparently, according to the video, this airfield has a minimum go around (missed approach) height which is someway before the threshold? So there is a point of no return? Is he saying that if you arrive at the threshold and there's an obstruction on the runway you cannot go around due to the terrain?
So many questions.
Again, not a pilot.

safetypee 12th Aug 2021 12:38

? So there is a point of no return?
No. A GA can be flown from any point, even over the runway. The flight profile would be as for a takeoff, assuming similar aircraft weight, which would be most likely as any heavier wt takeoff has to account for engine failure.

There is a ‘point of no return’ when approaching from the south, approx 11 miles (PR 12-10), or GA PR 8O8-810 if you choose, descend into, the wrong valley; cannot out-climb the terrain, nor turnaround; hence a guide pilot for first time visitors.

DaveReidUK 12th Aug 2021 15:01


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 11093983)
The 'navigator' in the jump seat tells the pilot flying to turn right, he doesn't. When he does, it's too late and results in excessive bank angle, overshooting the centreline and late correction resulting in a missed flare and hard arrival.
In my mind there should have been a go around call right after the point where the pilot doesn't follow instructions and turns late.

While I can't comment on the performance of the approach, I suspect there's a big difference between the chap in the jump seat advising where/when to turn (based on his experience of flying into Paro), and actually commanding the PF to go-around.

TURIN 12th Aug 2021 15:35

Is that an authority gradient issue or is it just not a practical option?

safetypee 12th Aug 2021 16:31

‘Is that an authority gradient issue or is it just not a practical option?’

Probably a different operator on the jump seat as a guide pilot. If so, then an issue of overconfidence or attentional focus on the task, preventing hearing the advice. If the latter, then the PM interjecting - callout and or tap-on-the-hand may have been more effective.

But PM was another ‘Capt’, thus, back to authority gradient, loss of face for the company vs guest pilot, etc, etc.

JanetFlight 14th Aug 2021 00:53

Welll...to be very honest seeing from the outside nothing that i havent seen before by a "normal" 733 at any other "normal" airfield...My humble 2 cents...a lil bit bumpy, maybe.
And yes, we do have a flare...at least i can see it.

First 3 seconds +/-



jumpseater 14th Aug 2021 07:50


Originally Posted by JanetFlight (Post 11094757)

That wasn’t the same flight/approach as the cockpit video. From my professional experience having seen tens of thousands of landings this (cockpit vid approach) was highly unusual. The tv link landing looks normal.

JanetFlight 14th Aug 2021 16:37

Yes, it was... The landing of the video its indeed the same landing of the Cockpit that started this very thread... Same type, same airline, same colours, same day, same flight.

DaveReidUK 14th Aug 2021 18:45

Agreed. The 12th July flight bringing US-donated vaccine from Indonesia was a one-off.

jumpseater 15th Aug 2021 06:31


Originally Posted by JanetFlight (Post 11095057)
Yes, it was... The landing of the video its indeed the same landing of the Cockpit that started this very thread...

Having had the opportunity to view that tv report on a much bigger screen than the moby I first watched it on, I was mistaken.


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