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Tony Flynn 17th Nov 2017 13:23

Midair Collision Near Waddesdon
 
BBC reports midair collision between light aircraft and helicopter near Waddesdon, Bucks.

This from Bucks & MK Fire Brigade -

Firefighters currently assisting other emergency services at scene of air accident near Waddesdon. Air Accidents Investigation Branch informed. Disruption to road network around Waddesdon likely for the rest of the day

rattle 17th Nov 2017 13:24

Bucks crash
 
Waddesdon crash, plane crash, plane and helicopter crash, buckinghamshire plane crash, waddesdon plane crash, bucks plane crash, mid air collision, waddesdon hill, air crash, plane crash today | Metro News

No further details yet but a beautiful day to be flying around here.

cats_five 17th Nov 2017 13:24

Waddesdon Midair
 
A helicopter and plane have crashed mid-air in Buckinghamshire.

Read more: Waddesdon crash, plane crash, plane and helicopter crash, buckinghamshire plane crash, waddesdon plane crash, bucks plane crash, mid air collision, waddesdon hill, air crash, plane crash today | Metro News
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Noobyflewby 17th Nov 2017 13:40

www. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-42024712

airpolice 17th Nov 2017 13:40

Incident first reported @ 12:06 and AAIB are en route.

bobstay 17th Nov 2017 13:56

It's always busy near WCO and I know I've been guilty in the past of paying too much attention to pointing passengers at the Rothschild palace and not enough to a sharp lookout.

Hoping against the odds for a positive outcome.

Bravo73 17th Nov 2017 14:02

BBC link: Aircraft and helicopter in 'mid-air crash' near Aylesbury Aircraft and helicopter in 'mid-air crash' near Aylesbury - BBC News

DB777 17th Nov 2017 14:08

FR24 shows G-JAMM over there on playback around midday – tracked from Wycombe Air Park, nothing else 'light' on radar at their alt at the time tho.

oversteer 17th Nov 2017 14:12

A 152, G-WACG was overhead at about the same time, unless it just stayed below coverage altitude for the remainder of its flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...g-wacg#f8efef7
Fingers crossed for survivors

Bravo73 17th Nov 2017 14:22

Rolling BBC updates: Updates: 'Mid-air crash' in Buckinghamshire - BBC News

Both aircraft came from Wycombe Air Park.

JumpJumpJump 17th Nov 2017 14:23

Shall we stop posting Aircraft Registrations that were near at the time based on totally incomplete data. Friends and families of the victims and of aircraft not involved could very well be reading this. Posting Registrations until comfirmed will only add unnecessary anguish.

helonorth 17th Nov 2017 14:29


Originally Posted by rattle (Post 9959956)


No further details yet but a beautiful day to be flying around here.

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

rattle 17th Nov 2017 14:39

You've lost me there, sorry.

Is it legal to fly over a crash site?

Bravo73 17th Nov 2017 14:45


Originally Posted by rattle (Post 9960022)
Is it legal to fly over a crash site?

Not at the moment. There is a temporary Danger Area in place up to 3000ft.

212man 17th Nov 2017 14:47


Originally Posted by rattle (Post 9960022)
You've lost me there, sorry.

Is it legal to fly over a crash site?

He means that it is highly unlikely anyone survived, so discussing what a beautiful day it was might be considered tasteless or ill-considered. Like asking Mrs Lincoln if - apart from her husband being assassinated - it was a good play?

airpolice 17th Nov 2017 14:50

From ITV News
 
Mid-air collision: aircraft came from Wycombe Air Park
A helicopter and an aircraft have been involved in a mid-air collision over Buckinghamshire.

Both of the aircraft are understood to have come from Wycombe Air Park and collided near Waddesdon shortly after midday.

A spokesman for the airstrip, near High Wycombe, said: "Wycombe Air Park can confirm that at 12 o'clock local today we were informed of an incident north-west of Aylesbury involving two aircraft from Wycombe Air Park."

Emergency services including air ambulance are currently at the scene.

John R81 17th Nov 2017 14:58


Originally Posted by rattle (Post 9960022)
You've lost me there, sorry.

Is it legal to fly over a crash site?




To begin with, yes. But a temporary restriction will be imposed as soon as the incident is known, and then it is prohibited until the Temporary Danger Area is withdrawn.

The NOTAM reads:


Q) EGTT/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/030/5149N00054W003
B) FROM: 17/11/17 13:15C) TO: 17/11/17 17:00
E) TEMPORARY DANGER AREA. SAROPS OFF. NO RESTRICTIONS ON FREQUENCIESOWING TO AN EMERGENCY AT UPPER WINCHENDON ATEMPORARY DANGER AREA TO BE KNOWN AS EG D199V HAS BEEN ESTABLISHEDBY A CIRCLE RADIUS 3NM CENTRED ON 5149N 00054W. TO ENSURE THEIROWN SAFETY AND TO AVOID INTERFERENCE WITH CONTROL AND SARACTIVITIES, PILOTS ARE URGENTLY REQUESTED NOT TO FLY IN OR NEAR THEAREA WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF AERONAUTICAL RESCUE AND COORDINATIONCENTRE (EMERGENCY CONTROLLING AUTHORITY) TELEPHONE 01343 836001 /01343836002. PILOTS ARE FURTHER WARNED THAT ACTION MAY BE TAKEN ATANY TIME TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS OF FLYING REGULATIONS UNDER ARTICLE239 OF THE AIR NAVIGATION ORDER 2016. ATC UNITS CLOSE TO THEINCIDENT AREA ARE REQUESTED TO ADVISE AIRCRAFT ON THEIR FREQUENCIESOF THE CONTENTS OF THIS NOTAM.LOWER: SFC
UPPER: 3000FT AMSL

AlexJT 17th Nov 2017 14:58

I think Rattle meant in the sense that it has been unbelievably clear today. I thought this morning it would be a great day for flying. Shame it’s not ended too great for some, by the sounds of it.

ShyTorque 17th Nov 2017 15:00

I agree, please do not post "possible" aircraft registrations! What purpose is that thoughtless action supposed to achieve?

I've just received a phone call from a very worried close relative as it is.

squidie 17th Nov 2017 15:03

Sad news, tracking the news helicopter circling overhead right now. I agree with JJJ best not speculate into what no one knows right now.

Super VC-10 17th Nov 2017 15:10

Sky news photo shows wreckage of a white helicopter with an enclosed tail rotor.

https://news.sky.com/story/plane-and...shire-11130285

RMK 17th Nov 2017 15:11

An aerial news photo just showed the helicopter wreckage; shows a white Fenestron of Eurocopter design.

EDIT:

I just had a second look at the photo (I purposely didn't say EC120 so as to not alarm anyone unnecessarily). It's not a Eurocopter; it's a very similarly-shaped "smaller" helicopter. Sadly, doesn't look good.

jayteeto 17th Nov 2017 15:12

Don’t over react children. I got what he meant. He was saying poor weather was unlikely to be involved

Airmotive 17th Nov 2017 15:18

The Mail is confirming G-JAMM

Helicopter and plane collide mid-air in Buckinghamshire | Daily Mail Online

Engineless 17th Nov 2017 15:18

Ident of fixed wing aircraft involved clearly visible on BBC News photo (not allowed to post links yet but check out the BBC News website).

Looks like the earlier poster was right. Similarly, the helicopter previously mentioned was crossing the same spot on FR24 and suddenly stopped. Very sad.

rattle 17th Nov 2017 15:19

Indeed. The first question that seems to get asked on here, or the first opinion points at weather. The visibility today was perfect so it seemed worth mentioning before anybody not local asked or looked it up.

jayteeto 17th Nov 2017 15:19

BBC photo now shows a photo of the crash site, the aeroplane reg is plain to see

jellycopter 17th Nov 2017 15:26

The BBC aerial footage is concentrating on the tail section of a Cessna (172?) which appears severed from the fuselage.

Cows getting bigger 17th Nov 2017 15:29

WACG is a 152. Helicopter is a Cabri.

dead_pan 17th Nov 2017 15:40

Heli crash site looks very contained from the pics

RiSq 17th Nov 2017 15:42


Originally Posted by oversteer (Post 9959995)
A 152, G-WACG was overhead at about the same time, unless it just stayed below coverage altitude for the remainder of its flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...g-wacg#f8efef7
Fingers crossed for survivors

G-WACG Confirmed from photos of paint and now the Reg from overhead.

Dragol 17th Nov 2017 15:51

From the pictures it looks like a Cabri from Helicopter Services Ltd at Wycombe air park

AnFI 17th Nov 2017 16:06

It's notamed as a DANGER Area
not a Prohibition nor a Restriction
(the danger being midair collision presumably)

there is a warning PILOTS ARE FURTHER WARNED THAT ACTION MAY BE TAKEN ATANY TIME TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS OF FLYING REGULATIONS UNDER ARTICLE239
and a request (understandably) not to overfly

very sad for all concerned

tmmorris 17th Nov 2017 16:09

Light aircraft and helicopter midair near Westcott
 
BBC reporting midair between a helicopter and Cessna here

Aircraft and helicopter in mid-air crash near Waddesdon - BBC News

Thread on Rotorheads here

http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/602...waddesdon.html

Cows getting bigger 17th Nov 2017 16:20

We lost one of the industries gentlemen today.

God speed

paco 17th Nov 2017 16:27

We sure did. At least I managed to share a cuppa with him yesterday.

Genghis the Engineer 17th Nov 2017 16:27


Originally Posted by oversteer (Post 9959995)
A 152, G-WACG was overhead at about the same time, unless it just stayed below coverage altitude for the remainder of its flight
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...g-wacg#f8efef7
Fingers crossed for survivors

I'm afraid that registration is also visible on a photograph on the BBC website. It's a school aeroplane, so tells us nothing about who was on board.

Bell_ringer 17th Nov 2017 16:30

Fixed wing aircraft have such a limited field of view, you don't want to end up near and beneath one. They will never see you so best to keep far away and to let them know you are around.
Hope they get to see another day, sounds like such a avoidable situation.
Training flights gone wrong?

piperboy84 17th Nov 2017 19:01

Poor folks, it's sickening how easy this can happen and the enormity of the result.


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