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Orlando Airport potential runway collision

Old 15th May 2024, 14:43
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Orlando Airport potential runway collision

Another US potential runway collision.
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Why does the airliner state they are returning to the gate?
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Old 15th May 2024, 21:40
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
Why does the airliner state they are returning to the gate?
Not sure what speed the AA flight was at when the RTO occurred. Could be a brake temp issue or possible to refuel.
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Not sure what speed the AA flight was at when the RTO occurred. Could be a brake temp issue or possible to refuel.
At about 1.26 in the video a note shows saying ground speed was 60 knots. Can't see it being a fuel issue or brakes. Maybe wanting to file a report with the FAA? It will be interesting to find out why.
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
Why does the airliner state they are returning to the gate?
In many cases there is a mandatory stand-down following a serious incident.
Whether or not it is compulsory in this case, the crew quite likely felt rattled enough that they wanted a break anyway.
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If someone had put me in a potentially life-threatening situation I certainly would not want to do anything but calm down, so their decision to return to the gate was entirely correct and understandable.
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Originally Posted by Bksmithca
At about 1.26 in the video a note shows saying ground speed was 60 knots. Can't see it being a fuel issue or brakes. Maybe wanting to file a report with the FAA? It will be interesting to find out why.
My guess would be that maintenance is required if the RTO starts above a certain speed.
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In many cases there is a mandatory stand-down following a serious incident.
Whether or not it is compulsory in this case, the crew quite likely felt rattled enough that they wanted a break anyway.
in the spirit of full disclosure, I’ll admit upfront that I’m a safety person regularly dealing with safety management systems…….you know, those things that all aircraft operators (and just about everyone else) are supposed to have to get their AOC and IOSA and the like bits of paper. Any good SMS should, wherever practicable, take people out of operational positions following a serious incident to enable an initial assessment of the event takes place. That assessment should consider whether anybody’s competence is in question and also whether those involved are fit to return to operational work. The same should certainly happen in ATC in this instance.
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Originally Posted by Equivocal
in the spirit of full disclosure, I’ll admit upfront that I’m a safety person regularly dealing with safety management systems…….you know, those things that all aircraft operators (and just about everyone else) are supposed to have to get their AOC and IOSA and the like bits of paper. Any good SMS should, wherever practicable, take people out of operational positions following a serious incident to enable an initial assessment of the event takes place. That assessment should consider whether anybody’s competence is in question and also whether those involved are fit to return to operational work. The same should certainly happen in ATC in this instance.
A controller involved in a runway incident like this is not fit to return to operational work.
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A controller involved in a runway incident like this is not fit to return to operational work.
What utter tosh!
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
Why does the airliner state they are returning to the gate?
To change underwear.
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Old 16th May 2024, 14:22
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They could have been at min takeoff fuel and need a few more pounds to try again. More likely after an AA crew was roasted for crossing in front of a departing Delta flight at JFK last year and then taking off for Europe and having the voice recorder overwritten the figured they should have the CVR downloaded to show it wasn’t their fault.
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From my simple ex-ATCO POV that was just sheer incompetence on the part of Tower. But there may have been other factors at play, which the eventual report mat reveal.
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In these situations do pilots listen out for potential issues?
If the pilot told to cross hears that another aircraft is cleared to take off should they, or both pick up on that situation? Or is it just too dynamic, too demanding to pick up on such things?
I feel I would be slightly concerned to hear an aircraft cleared on the runway I was crossing.
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I think that once cleared for take off they are focused on just that. R/T communications concerning other callsigns become background chatter. However, at least one of the crew will be keeping a lookout which is exactly what happened here.
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In these situations do pilots listen out for potential issues?
You most definitely do, whether conciously or not, but there is no guarantee it will be picked up.
I am not a big fan of crossing runways in use but accept it as part of reality. Being on the same frequency helps building your situational awareness. I understand many of the recent near misses in the US has involved aircraft and controllers on different frequencies operating on the same piece of land. Quite concerning.
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"Clear Left".
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Old 18th May 2024, 11:46
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This happened at MCO? It has the Runway Status Light System I seem to recall. Wouldn’t that have been activated?
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Originally Posted by BBK
This happened at MCO? It has the Runway Status Light System I seem to recall. Wouldn’t that have been activated?
Don't know, but FlightAware, iFlight, etc. all say RWSL in operation.
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