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"Pull the plug!" Delta A321 disagrees with ground power cable - Seattle

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Old 14th May 2024, 02:07
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"Pull the plug!" Delta A321 disagrees with ground power cable - Seattle

(or something electrical....)

Probably only barely qualifies as a "close call," - but a little out of the ordinary. And a reminder that "some day, when you least expect it......"

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Leaders of the free world. Unbelievable.
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Standard Evac 2024 !
Pax all toting hand luggage.
Many stopping to video the event after egress !
Welcome to today's world !
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Those fixed ground power units have a big emergency stop button. Either no one thought to press it or it didn't work. Either way... Kinnell! 😱
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Standard Evac 2024 !
Pax all toting hand luggage.
Many stopping to video the event after egress !
Welcome to today's world !
Perhaps, since the aircraft is in the process of deplaning, it would take more time to put their baggage back, than take it... & passengers clinging to their cabin bags isn't a 2024 phenomena either.
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Everyone holding hand luggage in that video should be prosecuted for being a muppet.
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Originally Posted by Jonty
Everyone holding hand luggage in that video should be prosecuted for being a muppet.
I can see a scenario where passengers are already standing up with the backpack on their back or carry on bag in their hand. When the evacuation order comes it seems more reasonable to just go for it than try to stow it all away.
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Let's just be grateful that none of the milling pax got run over or sucked into an intake.
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Perhaps, since the aircraft is in the process of deplaning, it would take more time to put their baggage back, than take it... & passengers clinging to their cabin bags isn't a 2024 phenomena
Put it back where may I ask ???
​​​​​​​Perhaps follow the rules and leave it onboard ?
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Last time I checked the ICAO SARP for first response vehicle to the scene was 3 minutes - FAIL.
Bob Poole has it right - no longer able to claim leadership in aviation standards.
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Oh, here we go again! Time to sit down comfortably with my popcorn.
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Do ground crew at SEA not have access to hand-held fire extinguishers, or are they not allowed to use them? Seems like a lack of action/urgency to do anything but wait for the fire department to arrive. From my observations as a lowly SLF (granted I have not been through Seattle in a while) most other airports have a plethora of red fire extinguishers on the ramp area--on tugs, on baggage tractors, mounted on building walls, etc. Maybe there were extinguishers but of the wrong type for electrical fires?

And I'm with 172_driver on the issue of pax taking bags with them in this situation--as the aircraft had already arrived at the gate, I bet half the aisle pax had already stood up and had bags in hand. Probably better to just take the bag along than try to find a place to go with it that wouldn't make the situation worse.
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And I'm with 172_driver on the issue of pax taking bags with them in this situation--as the aircraft had already arrived at the gate, I bet half the aisle pax had already stood up and had bags in hand. Probably better to just take the bag along than try to find a place to go with it that wouldn't make the situation worse.
Yep !! Not taking the location into account.

In my part of the world, pax are advised to remain seated until steps or airbridge are in place and doors opened.
They are then asked to depart in order of row.
Compliance is generally very good !
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Old 14th May 2024, 21:49
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Originally Posted by El Grifo
Yep !! Not taking the location into account.

In my part of the world, pax are advised to remain seated until steps or airbridge are in place and doors opened.
They are then asked to depart in order of row.
Compliance is generally very good !
As near as I can tell (and I've flow into SEA many times), SOP is 'stop', shutdown the engines, then the seat belt sign goes off and people start standing up and getting their bags ready to deplane.
I don't remember ever having the seatbelt sign stay on and/or verbal instructions to stay seated until the loading bridge was positioned.
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Originally Posted by tdracer
As near as I can tell (and I've flow into SEA many times), SOP is 'stop', shutdown the engines, then the seat belt sign goes off and people start standing up and getting their bags ready to deplane.
I don't remember ever having the seatbelt sign stay on and/or verbal instructions to stay seated until the loading bridge was positioned.
Seem to remember that at MIA, LAX and SFO !
Bit of a scrum.
Usually wait till it is all over to deplane !
Bugger at immigration though .
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The only carry-on that appeared to be a struggle was a child. Other than that the queue for getting down the slides remained at capacity.

Electrically fed fires are a problem to extinguish as they maintain a continuous ignition source and can ignite a metal fire which can readily react with water to produce hydrogen explosions.
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Originally Posted by El Grifo
Yep !! Not taking the location into account.

In my part of the world, pax are advised to remain seated until steps or airbridge are in place and doors opened.
They are then asked to depart in order of row.
Compliance is generally very good !
It is not what I notice when flying around your area (ACE). It was a bit better just after the pandemic, but now everything back to "usual business", unfortunately.
Also, it depends on the airline.

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Old 15th May 2024, 08:02
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Originally Posted by El Grifo
Put it back where may I ask ???
Perhaps follow the rules and leave it onboard ?
Obviously back in the overhead locker or under the seat - that's likely to cause more issues blocking access to those behind, than just leaving with it.
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Old 15th May 2024, 08:11
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Why did it take so long to react? Ground crew should call Ground or the fire brigade right away? So many apron vehicles drove by, they must have comms and have seen those sparks if the camera does?
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Interesting points about the luggage, though in fairness carrying it during the exit doesn't seem to slow people down much - even the full on roller bags. I'm more surprised that wearing a backpack on the slide doesn't create difficulties

What's more worrying though is the initial movement at the overwing exit where people just sseem to stroll aimlessly towards the wingtip rather then make the 90 degree turn to get on the slide. I wonder if that's a common problem and maybe an inflatable fence could stop it

Good to see the top hinged exit doors in action though. I always wondered why they used to suggest you remove the plug, bring it INTO the cabin. I understand it's a plug so "bigger" than the hole, but it always seemd like it would be a significant impediment to a quick egress


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