Glider crash, two killed, Mt beauty

[EXDAC]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

a motorglider would automatically self launch , a glider not necessarily hence the difference .

Simply not true. Many motor gliders are not capable of self launch. Do some research on "sustainer". Self launching motor glider is a sub category of motor glider.

[Tom K L]

Originally Posted by 340drvr

Wondering how ashes would be released, the 109B has gull wing doors, can't imagine they're approved for opening during flight.
Sad story, RIP.

I believe this was a G109 the earlier one and they are the standard clearview panels

[ATC Watcher]

Originally Posted by EXDAC

Simply not true. Many motor gliders are not capable of self launch. Do some research on "sustainer". Self launching motor glider is a sub category of motor glider.

i think it is a terminology issue between US and europe a mix up what we call “Turbo” with “”self launching only used to qualify gliders. . In Europe a motorglider is more like a single engine aircraft ,and absolutely all can take off on their own .
You and I leaned something .

[mjh FE]

There are gliders and TMG's in europe. TMG (Touring Motor Glider) is kind on in between a real aeroplane and a glider with the worst of both worlds combined (half sarcastic). Gliders then are gliders, either pure gliders with no propulsion other than gravity. Some are equipped with sustainer engines (piston, electrical, jet) and are not capable of independent take-off. Sustainer is supposed to bring You home instead of landing out. Then there are self-launching gliders with usually retractable propulsion system, again piston or electric. Some TMG's are capable of real soaring flight, most are not even though manufacturers boast otherwise, the glider performance is just horrible, so they are really only underpowered airplanes. Whit not enough training. Dimona and Stemme being most capable TMG,s. Gliders with retractable powertrain are usually really good gliders also.

-M-

[segfault]

Originally Posted by mjh FE

T-O from rwy 14 looks quite interesting for Grob 109 and not so good climb performance. Was the accident on T-O or approach of level flight?
-M-

I did my paraglider training out of Mt Beauty. Throughout the course sailplanes were cable launched to the north and landed to the south. The map doesn't make it particularly clear that the lake on the south side is elevated above the level of the runway with a high embankment, with trees on top of the embankment, so nobody wants to fly in that direction.

[megan]

Grob the manufacturer simply calls it a "motor glider".

[krohmie]

If I hear to "scatter the ashes" I think this will be very problematic in a G109.

It is not possible to open the gullwing type doors in flight or to fly the airplane without doors because you lose the airflow on the T-tail elevator.

So you can only use the the small sail plane like ventilation windows in the plexiglas doors.

Edit: There are some starting accidents with G109b and not correct closed doors.