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Old 31st Mar 2024, 16:23
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Only could happen in Africa.

On March 31, 2024, a Safe Air Boeing 727 cargo plane collided with a disabled African Express Airways MD-82 at Malakal Airfield in South Sudan.

The Safe Air Boeing 727-200F with registration 5Y-IRE was attempting to land when it struck the MD-82, which had been involved in a prior landing accident at the same airport in February.

The MD-82 had landed short of the runway and remained stationary due to being unable to be moved.

According to local reports, the aircraft had been instrumental in the evacuation of ex-Afghan special forces from Taliban-controlled Afghanistan in 2021.
In a statement, Bol Mijok Lual, the acting airport general manager said, “A large cargo plane landed and crashed at our airport at 11 a.m. This plane landed a few meters outside the runway, causing its tires to burst and turn inside out. As a result, the plane lost control and hit a plane that had previously crashed.”



https://airlive.net/emergency/2024/0...n-south-sudan/
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Old 31st Mar 2024, 18:56
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There was another incident just a few months ago in Tanzania in which two aircraft crashed separately at the same airport on the same day...

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/vide...me-day-4626136
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No, no, no.
Not only in Africa. Remember Tenerife?
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RichardJones when did anyone hit a previously crashed aircraft at Tenerife ?
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Originally Posted by RichardJones
Not only in Africa. Remember Tenerife?
geographically, Tenerife is part of the Africa continent, so you’re only proving the claim.
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Maybe Africa is one of the only places left with (previously) operational MD-82s and 727s?
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Perhaps "Safe Air" will change its name now? Hostage to fortune or what?
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Perhaps "Safe Air" will change its name now? Hostage to fortune or what?
Safe Air, but Dangerous Ground maybe
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An investigation is underway to determine the cause of the collision.
The result of which will most probably be " bad luck" as they used to say in French speaking West Africa : " the bad eye "
.No need to change the 727 airline name, the fault is clearly on the MD-82 .
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5Y-IRE, 1979-2024, impressive, interested to know the history of the air frame, any links?
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 14:16
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Here you are…

​​​​5Y-IRE Boeing 727-2Q9 F 21931 1531 JT8D-17R s3
Safe Air 1979
3/31/24 crashed in Malakal, South Sudan 5X-IRE
Irene SKA SA Aircraft Leasing PTY (LTD)
ZS-IRE rg 9/15/11 SKA Aircraft Leasing Irene SKA SA Aircraft Leasing PTY (LTD)
N741DH rg 07/28/10 ACG Virginia Gardens FL
Aviation Capital Group
N741DH rg 11/94 converted to Freighter, stored 7/09 IGM
Astar Air Cargo
N202AV leased 5/92 - 11/92
SAM Colombia
N202AV dd 12/21/79, rg 12/27/79 BA Leasing and Capital Corp. San Francisco CA
Avianca

ff 9/20/79
The Boeing Company​​​
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Tenerife was a normal operation, as all should ultimately be, that tragically turned into a massive failure. The KLM crew contributed to most of that and at the end had 100% responsibility. As pilots, particularly during international operations, we face language and procedural challenges. Let's say "environmental". Thats a failure beyond any crew's direct malpractice. Tough situation.
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Originally Posted by WITCHWAY550
Tenerife was a normal operation, as all should ultimately be, that tragically turned into a massive failure. The KLM crew contributed to most of that and at the end had 100% responsibility. As pilots, particularly during international operations, we face language and procedural challenges. Let's say "environmental". Thats a failure beyond any crew's direct malpractice. Tough situation.
Not as simple as you conclude! Phraseology was different (and changed after this accident). A transmission to the KLM aircraft was partially stepped on by the Pan Am crew, thus KLM heard "take-off" when the controller was actually saying "stand by for take-off". The KLM Flight Engineer did challenge the Captain if they were actually cleared for take-off and was waved off with a "yes" (remember no CRM in those days and the captain was a very senior crew member). I reject the conclusion that "the KLM crew" contributed to most of that. I would say that a set of unusual circumstances, poor phraseology, a crossed transmission and the KLM Captain all contributed to this accident.
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Originally Posted by FUMR
Not as simple as you conclude! Phraseology was different (and changed after this accident). A transmission to the KLM aircraft was partially stepped on by the Pan Am crew, thus KLM heard "take-off" when the controller was actually saying "stand by for take-off". The KLM Flight Engineer did challenge the Captain if they were actually cleared for take-off and was waved off with a "yes" (remember no CRM in those days and the captain was a very senior crew member). I reject the conclusion that "the KLM crew" contributed to most of that. I would say that a set of unusual circumstances, poor phraseology, a crossed transmission and the KLM Captain all contributed to this accident.
Well said.
Human.Error somewhere along the chain of events. We will never eliminate this . Someone made a mistake, resulting in a very tragic outcome.
As long as humans have their sticky little mitts on machinery, or anything else for that matter, accidents will happen of course.. IMHO
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Originally Posted by RichardJones
Well said.
Human.Error somewhere along the chain of events. We will never eliminate this . Someone made a mistake, resulting in a very tragic outcome.
As long as humans have their sticky little mitts on machinery, or anything else for that matter, accidents will happen of course.. IMHO
And yet it is a human quality that can save the day: a little humility. Had the captain not dismissed out of hand the question regarding the clearance the accident would probably not have happened. Even with CRM, such arrogance remains an everyday hazard up front. Challenge and dismiss is alive and well. It is a hazardous attitude and neither safe nor inevitable.
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And yet it is a human quality that can save the day: a little humility. Had the captain not dismissed out of hand the question regarding the clearance the accident would probably not have happened. Even with CRM, such arrogance remains an everyday hazard up front. Challenge and dismiss is alive and well. It is a hazardous attitude and neither safe nor inevitable.
Amen. Well said.
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk
And yet it is a human quality that can save the day: a little humility. Had the captain not dismissed out of hand the question regarding the clearance the accident would probably not have happened. Even with CRM, such arrogance remains an everyday hazard up front. Challenge and dismiss is alive and well. It is a hazardous attitude and neither safe nor inevitable.
Well said.
I learned from the Tenerife disaster and many other accidents:
The difference between monkey and man: A monkey learns from his own mistakes, man learns from other’s mistakes.
I practiced humility and never scratched a plane after 37 years of aviating and navigating including 15 on the B-747 Classic.
Can’t imagine Tenerife, worst possible nightmare for everyone involved, the KLM plane roaring down the runway full nose
up trying to lift of before hitting the Pan-Am 747 striking the tail on the concrete.


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