Danger of JFK ramp and ground ops

[sunnySA]

Originally Posted by extricate

It is a big threat with Ground not talking to Ramp. Pilot's attention is being taken away when they are trying to get their bay number. Given that JFK is a high traffic airport, this makes the threat even more severe. I hope this gets changed.

Listening to the accident at Haneda, I thought it interesting that the arrivals nominate their bay number to the local controller on first contact. Seems such a logical system in that both parties know the gate number and can plan accordingly.

[anson harris]

If I can google the gate that my aircraft is on, or that I'm parking on, surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a ground controller might also be able to have access to that information? It seems to be possible in literally every country on earth, except one.

[extricate]

Originally Posted by FullyFullyReady

Absolutely on the money. Happens nowhere else - its setups like these that are rapidly making the US a third-world aviation country.

Absolutely.

[HM79]

Ramp control at JFK is NOT controlled by the FAA. The terminals at JFK are a for profit operation not controlled by the airport authority and gate assignments are far more complicated than first come first served.

[Equivocal]

Originally Posted by HM79

Ramp control at JFK is NOT controlled by the FAA. The terminals at JFK are a for profit operation not controlled by the airport authority and gate assignments are far more complicated than first come first served.

The arrangements for ramp management vary hugely between countries and between airports. Whether profit is involved or not seems largely irrelevant. But many other airports appear to be able to coordinate ramp and manoeuvring area operations in ways that serve the aircraft/pilots using them and, ultimately, make the airport operation more efficient. And do you really think that you need to explain to the professional users on this board that gate assignments are not first come, first served???

[HM79]

My reason for explanation was last time I checked there wasn't a vetting process for membership. Business model is very relevant as terminal design and efficiency maybe sacrificed for revenue stream. For example, bidirectional alleyways greatly contribute to efficiency but sacrifice usable acreage for additional gating. The bidirectional alleyway would also allow for aircraft to temporarily wait for gates and not require constant repositioning on the movement area.