Afghanistan: Dassault Falcon 10 jet crash Jan 2024

[NutLoose]

Film of the wreckage and survivors.

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[Mike Flynn]

This from AKIpress News Agency in the Kyrgyz Republic.

AKIPRESS.COM - Four people survived the crash of the Falcon 10 private plane in Afghanistan, the Russian Federal Air Transport Agency reported with reference to the Russian embassy.

"Local ground search and rescue found the Falcon 10 aircraft (registration number RA-09011). Of the six people on board the plane, four are alive (they have various injuries); the fate of two people is being clarified," the Federal Air Transport Agency said.

After the crash of a plane with Russians on board, the Investigative Committee of Russia opened a criminal case into violation of traffic safety rules and operation of air transport, which through negligence resulted in the death of two or more people (Part 3 of Article 263 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).

The plane belonged to the Russian company Athletic Group and a private individual; the plane was performing a charter ambulance flight on the route Gaya (India) - Tashkent (Uzbekistan) - Zhukovsky (Russia). According to preliminary data, the cause of the crash was the failure of two engines, TASS and REN TV sources reported.

There were six people on board: four crew members and two passengers. The passengers were a businessman from Volgograd, Anatoly Evsyukov, and his wife Anna. The plane carried out a “private medical evacuation” of Anna Evsyukova, accompanied by her husband.

More information here.https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/350051

[fdr]

Originally Posted by MLHeliwrench

So Russians are buying N reg planes and using US companies for training (Flight Safety is owned by Berkshire Hathaway). How is Russian money paying for this?

training can be done on the aircraft for a type rating, however, that requires TSA approval, under the foreign student program, The requirement is for the training, not the checking, if they already had a license and type, but pretty sure that given they are operating from a criminal state, that is currently conducting war crimes, are doing illegal operations, which may well include the basis that the approvals to fly out of Thailand, India etc were based on, then not sure that is of any concern to them. They may find new adventures around Avdiivka in the near future though, without the need for their licenses that should be a question from ICAO as to how the Russian CAA permitted such an operation to depart, and enter and abuse other ICAO airspace. (given Vlads status on international law, that is probably not on his horizon either, and ICAO has all of the interest in compliance of a bloated bureaucracy anywhere).

It is not always illegal to do an operation that colours close to charter, but these clowns would not likely be interested in any compliance to the ICAO norms of Annex 6 Part I.

Shame, that was a nice DA10, MSN 128 IIRC.


Looking at the registration from the FAA, it was registered with the FAA in August 22 and de registered in September 23. I had info on it in July 22 on what would have been the temporary FAA registration pink-slip/flywire. It is curious that the registration has been reserved still by the same DE entity, so it may be that the plane was never sold to Russia, this may be a lease of the aircraft, in which case, good luck getting the rubles out of Russia. The earlier owners were in Morocco, and they had a nice fleet of Falcon 10 (incl MSN 120) and Falcon 20's. Their planes were pretty nicely kept by the records they provided.

[fdr]

Originally Posted by NutLoose

Film of the wreckage and survivors.



https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/st...58431885013044



https://twitter.com/ziakhanzazai/sta...78162310463693

Looks like the survivors are the crew, not Mr and Mrs Unfortunate Choice.

[Mike Flynn]

I find it remarkable that they overflew Lahore knowing the amount of fuel remaining.

[grizzled]

Originally Posted by Mike Flynn

I find it remarkable that they overflew Lahore knowing the amount of fuel remaining.

I find many things about this occurrence to be remarkable, and some aspects almost unbelievable...

[CargoOne]

Some news say both pilots were a co-owners of this aircraft along with a spouse of one of them. Criminal investigation is open and all of them facing about 10 years in jail…. If so I would bet 99.99% it was not the first time they flew it commercially without having AOC nor ATPL…

[fdr]

Originally Posted by CargoOne

Some news say both pilots were a co-owners of this aircraft along with a spouse of one of them. Criminal investigation is open and all of them facing about 10 years in jail…. If so I would bet 99.99% it was not the first time they flew it commercially without having AOC nor ATPL…

aircraft was de-registered in the USA in Sept 2023, so on the new rego with Russia, it hasn't been on that for long, but then they may have a willing audience given the state of Russian aircraft today. There will be a pretty close inspection on the sales documents related to the time on the US rego though, particularly the on sale, did it comply with current restrictions etc. As to not having an ATPL, the DA10 is a transport category aircraft, and would normally require an ATPL to operate, but Russia is Russia. (In the USA, they could fly with a PPL, but they do need a rating per §61.31(a), both (1) and (2). USA ain't Russia...).

[krismiler]

With a PPL, 2400 hours total time, minimal time on type and not being properly rested, I doubt the Captains decision making skills were at the required level. Any flight which operates near the envelope of an aircraft’s capabilities needs careful monitoring and the crew need to be ready with an alternative plan if things don’t go as expected.

A reputable operator would have provided suitably qualified and experienced crew, and not pushed the aircraft’s performance to its limit.

[NutLoose]

and not pushed the aircraft’s performance to its limit

Or in this case, sadly past it.

[JanetFlight]

Does anyone knows wich was the route they took on the first trip from Russia till Thai.
Wich airports did they choose to stop/gas and go?

[arf23]

I suspect anybody with a PPL about to do 10 years in a Russian jail will find themselves volunteered for any SMOs that might be in progress..

[Thrust Augmentation]

Can't put my finger on it, but the whole story has a reek about it.

[grizzled]

Originally Posted by Thrust Augmentation

Can't put my finger on it, but the whole story has a reek about it.

Exactly what I was alluding to in my post (#26) above. My (too many) years of experience related to aviation operations in challenging locales, and the (oft-related) matter of aircraft and companies of dubious registration, suggests that the truth behind this occurrence is far more convoluted than your usual "miscalculation leads to fuel shortage leads to forced landing" story.

[barry lloyd]

Notwithstanding the other issues, the choice of Zhukovsky as the destination airport with an apparently seriously ill passenger seems an odd one, Zhukovsky is miles from anywhere, and certainly a half-decent hospital. The best private hospital in Moscow is the Botkin, and the nearest airport would be Sheremetyevo, but perhaps the checking there would be more rigorous than Zhukovsky...