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Old 2nd Nov 2023, 10:21
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Aborted Takeoff at Zurich - October 2023

Saw this and thought it was interesting, Edelweiss A320 Zurich to Faro, Portugal, with a massive left turn on takeoff and nearly runs off the runway. Big left deflection of the rudder.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/l...rmal-behavior/

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Yeah - just seen this. Apparently a blown tyre at about 140 kts. (There's a Short clip on YT - I can't link yet )
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Wow! That does look lurid!

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This is probably the video clip M4rtyman referred to:


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Originally Posted by M4rtyman
Apparently a blown tyre at about 140 kts.
The ol’ chicken or the egg…

Did the blown tire cause the abrupt left yaw or did some other factor cause the abrupt left yaw that resulted in the blown tire? I don’t recall seeing a a blown tire or even an engine failure at that speed resulting in such an abrupt yaw. Watching the video, I see a large left rudder defection immediately proceeding the left yaw. PF got the jimmy leg?
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Out of curiosity what would be V1 in these circumstances?
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Out of curiosity what would be V1 in these circumstances?
How long is a piece of string. Too many variables
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Maybe it's the camera angle but before the incident the plane appears to be 'crabbing' along the runway pointing significantly left of the direction of travel.
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Quarter Speed:


The crew did well to recover so quickly.
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Originally Posted by netstruggler
Maybe it's the camera angle but before the incident the plane appears to be 'crabbing' along the runway pointing significantly left of the direction of travel.
Yes it does we appear to be looking at the aircraft directly from astern, but several degrees off the runway centreline
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Watched it a few times and I can't avoid the impression that the rudder deflection precedes the onset of yaw slightly. If there was a crosswind from the left, as appears to be the case judging from the slight deflection of the rudder to the right and the crabbing nature of the track, there does not appear to be a need for a large left rudder input... but that's just the theory from behind a keyboard.
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Definitely a left crosswind on takeoff. When going fast on the runway, jets will weathercock a little into the wind, requiring opposite (in this case, right) rudder to stay on the CL.

Watched it a few times and I can't avoid the impression that the rudder deflection precedes the onset of yaw slightly.
Agree. It looks to me that something rapidly jammed on full left rudder causing the rapid yaw left, and almost immediately after, corrective right rudder was fed in.
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Locked right brake ? Right main gear tyres suddenly gving up the fight ? Pure speculation...........
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If there was a locked brake there would be a lot of smoke from the tyre.
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Originally Posted by dixi188
If there was a locked brake there would be a lot of smoke from the tyre.
There is plenty of smoke from all tires. However, the smoke doesn’t begin until after the yaw event begins; e.g., the right main gear tires don’t begin smoking until crossing the centerline. Initially it looks like the tire smoking is due to extreme side loading. Even the nose gear tires are briefly smoking after the yaw event begins (the Michelin engineers are either high-fiving or throwing up their hands in disgust). The tire smoking also appears to be proportional to the change in lateral loading from the yaw event. During the right yaw recovery, it appears the right main gear tires may briefly lift from the runway.
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VASAviation video with ATC communication:
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Just typical: Right in the middle of a reject, "do you need any assistance?". Yes, you could assist by shutting up!
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Similar incident in 2021

Similar incident from 2021:


This guy flying for ‚Edelweiss' now? 😬

Excerpt taken from ‚Aviation Herald'

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Got me confused about left and right until I saw the date. Where did this happen?
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Originally Posted by dixi188
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Got me confused about left and right until I saw the date. Where did this happen?
Was Condor back then in Heraklion.
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