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Tui runway excursion at Leeds Bradford 20/10/23

Old 20th Oct 2023, 17:57
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Originally Posted by jackharr
Come on guys. Some sympathy. It could happen to anyone. There are those who have been off the runway and those who haven't YET. (I retired before the YET!)
Guilty. 1981 during PPL solo circuits in C150. Came in too fast, had a crosswind and discovered the 150's off-roading capabilities.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 17:58
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Snow foam might be of use here, prior to a good deep clean.

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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:02
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Originally Posted by jackharr
Come on guys. Some sympathy. It could happen to anyone. There are those who have been off the runway and those who haven't YET. (I retired before the YET!)
It cant just happen to anyone, and I dispute the "those that have and havent been end of the runway" as i discuss the outcomes in marginal weather with the First Officers and what it will read like on PPrune. careful planning and knowing when to press the TOGA button.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:04
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A case of 'Pressonitis" as Air Clues used to say?
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Originally Posted by Steve1968
It cant just happen to anyone, and I dispute the "those that have and havent been end of the runway" as i discuss the outcomes in marginal weather with the First Officers and what it will read like on PPrune. careful planning and knowing when to press the TOGA button.
There is so much wrong with your post that it is difficult to believe that you are a pilot, let alone a captain!
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:19
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Just looking at those pictures makes me wonder whether if it had been a MAX, would the cowls have dug in the mud?
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:34
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Originally Posted by buzzer90
Read that they decided the grass was a better option than over running.

Sound plausible?
Frankly, no.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:39
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Attempting to do a 135 degree turn onto Delta?
Wouldn’t want to do that any more than 10 kts in the wet-maybe less….
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:39
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While waiting for definite information, read up on the issues with landing in the reported conditions.

'Lateral runway excursions upon landing'
https://skybrary.aero/sites/default/...shelf/3834.pdf Page 15 -

Leeds:
'Short', Wet runway
Gusting crosswind

Landing perf at or near limits; runway condition, braking performance, need to cancel reverse then reapply - landing perf near limits, … …
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:44
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Originally Posted by jackharr
I was based at LBA for several years but managed to get posted away before I went off the runway. I never came THAT close to going off, but did ruin a set of tyres staying on the hard stuff.
Originally Posted by jackharr
Come on guys. Some sympathy. It could happen to anyone. There are those who have been off the runway and those who haven't YET. (I retired before the YET!)
Two posts from someone who has flown into LBA.

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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:45
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Originally Posted by FUMR
There is so much wrong with your post that it is difficult to believe that you are a pilot, let alone a captain!
Well I'm the one eating my dinner comfortably at home and not having to explain what the hell Ive done coming of the runway.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 18:46
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Originally Posted by Apron Artist
Another 738 departs the paved surface. Add it to the long list of others. In 13 years at LGW, 738s were more often than not the ones that suffered big problems on landing - from the Turkish that buckled the right MLG and sat on stand 102 for weeks awaiting repair, to, more recently one of TUI's 73Ms that knackered its NLG, round about lockdown time 2020. Seen plenty of Airbus touch-and-go last minute go-arounds but none damaged or causing lots of disruption. Apart from the Titan with the excess biocide in the fuel.
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It cant just happen to anyone, and I dispute the "those that have and havent been end of the runway" as i discuss the outcomes in marginal weather with the First Officers and what it will read like on PPrune. careful planning and knowing when to press the TOGA button.
Two people who have not flown into LBA.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:01
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The fact that this has not happened for a long, long time says a lot for the skills of those who have flown into there for so long. It can be hard work! Rather than anyone think to criticise those who have been unfortunate today, we should admire those who land regularly in those conditions, after long days and after busy years. Yes, I know there are "the numbers" that you must fly to, but those last minute gusts do not read the same books.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:01
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Originally Posted by toratoratora
Attempting to do a 135 degree turn onto Delta?
Wouldn’t want to do that any more than 10 kts in the wet-maybe less….
They passed Delta at 70 kts, so probably not attempting to exit there ...
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:13
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Flew into Leeds for a couple of years on the NG and it can be a tricky place. The runway is not well aligned with the prevailing winds and there was a phenomenon on short final where the speed would be all over the place. I think the Jet 2 guys called it the knot gobbler. The TAF today had pretty much complete crosswind and the initial procedural approach onto 14 looks like they never got close to being stabilised. The second time looked more promising although the ground speed looks like they had a generous Vref add on and possibly a bit of a tailwind.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:16
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This is why we have crosswind limits. When you have full rudder in and it's still heading for the runway edge you are just another passenger.... It's too late to intervene.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:21
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Split-Scimitar wingtips limit the crosswind, IIRC. I assume this one has (had?) them? Hard to tell.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:25
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Originally Posted by Trossie
The fact that this has not happened for a long, long time says a lot for the skills of those who have flown into there for so long. It can be hard work! Rather than anyone think to criticise those who have been unfortunate today, we should admire those who land regularly in those conditions, after long days and after busy years. Yes, I know there are "the numbers" that you must fly to, but those last minute gusts do not read the same books.
I wasn't questioning the flight deck performance, just pointing out that the equipment does seem to have more than its fair share of scenic tours away from the tarmac.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:30
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God's own country but the devil's runway!

If ATC gave out gusts on approach, no one would be in limits to land there. Anyway, the wind's completely different by the time ATC have finished reading it out.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 19:41
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I'm not a pilot but have used LBA for 35 years, and in the autumn/winter it's an absolute bugger as a passenger. I don't recall how many go-arounds or diversions I have been subject to but it's a shocking airport for weather due to location... highest in England.

I'm glad all are okay but slightly miffed that I'm supposed to be on the 7:45 to Faro in the morning and now I guess Brum or Manchester beckon...
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