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Old 11th Apr 2023, 04:39
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Originally Posted by Pilot DAR
'Depends upon if/how it is insured. Depending upon how an insurance policy is written, an engine, which failed, and was the cause of a damaging forced landing, may itself, not be insured (the component which failed before the insurable claim). A wheels down forced landing might damage a very expensive engine, a wheels up forced landing, will certainly damage it. If it were me, and I enjoyed the airplane, I would like to apply my skill to attempt to leave it reusable, which this pilot certainly did.
The human body might be more expensive than the engine.

That said, when a tarmac landing would be the go, I would choose for a gear down landing too. Not to say, just for this situation, I early on "decided" for myself to do such a maneuver as demonstrated in this situation, when forced into, and go for the Formula-1 corner style to leave the runway. Forget the center line, move to the opposite side of the runway as much as possible, aim for the apex of the runway exit, and hope to not slide off the exit tarmac or lose the gears. That said, this is one of many "personal" preprogrammed solutions to resolve emergencies.

Landing in an unknown field might be more challenging, given it's difficult to see from above / far away, whether the field is smooth mowed grass or knee-high weed. With an engine turned off, belly landing on soft ground, will limit the damage through the prop to the engine.

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And, I opine that most present day recreational P-51 pilots are probably pretty experienced and skilled - perhaps more so than the pilots fresh out of P-51 training during the war. so expecting a demonstration of skill greater than that for which a very old SOP was intended is not unreasonable...
Yep, agreed, with the difference that in the old days, it was Uncle Sam, picking up the repair bill in a landscape with a significant lower amount of regulations, which would make the repair a lot cheaper.

Though, still the "invented own SOP", which might be reasonable, etc, though a dangerous approach in general.
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Old 11th Apr 2023, 05:41
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I came across this video on another PPRUNE forum some time ago & recently added it to the AF447 thread, so apologies for attaching it again. It deals with an intermittent engine failure in a P51 but it is the analysis afterwards where the training benefits really exist - particularly dealing with Startle Factor & how we, as humans are wired that is worth watching. If you haven't seen it previously, please do yourself a favour...

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Old 11th Apr 2023, 06:35
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Any idea where this was...?
It was an aircraft from the Mid American Flight Museum which is located at Mike Hall Parkway, Mount Pleasant, Texas, aircraft taking off to the north, runway 6,000 feet. Good museum by the looks.

https://midamericaflightmuseum.com/warbirds/
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Old 18th Apr 2023, 17:51
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ETOPS…the gear free falls, extending the flaps takes hydraulic pressure supplied by the engine driven pump.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 10:23
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Awesomely handled. If I was flying I probably would have done things differently too, and not handled it as well as the pilot did.
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Old 23rd Apr 2023, 06:10
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The P-51, like most fighters of its day isn't exactly easy or light to fly at low speed, low altitude. Really well done!
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