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Old 12th Nov 2022, 18:58
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B17 Texas Raiders

Hearing rumours (only rumours) that B17 Texas Raiders may have got into difficulties at an air show.
If this is the case hope all are safe.
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Old 12th Nov 2022, 19:03
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Sadly it's very bad news... ASN reports possible collision with a P-51 or P-63...

Edit: does appear to have been a collision with a P-63, Wings Over Dallas Airshow...

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/301048

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Old 12th Nov 2022, 19:22
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Definitely mid-air:
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Damn. That's shocking and very sad.
Here is a video from the Daily Mail. Approach with caution. The collision is probably the worst I have ever seen. Terrible, simply terrible.
Planes crash in mid-air at Wings Over Dallas event, sending debris flying | Daily Mail Online
RIP all involved.
Very sad day :-(
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Reading on other sites that there are survivors!
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Strange how the Mail say the B17 collided with the Kingcobra. Looks totally the other way around.

Horific accident I am sure there will be repurcussions.
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Horific accident I am sure there will be repurcussions.
More ammunition for those that want air shows banned. However, seeing this kind of accident, they do have a point. Totally unnecessary and preventable.
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https://9gag.com/gag/aVbDvDn?ref=android
Apologies for the website, video shows the collision and crash
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Holly CRAP! What was that Kingcobra pilot thinking? That almost looks intentional!
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Strange how the Mail say the B17 collided with the Kingcobra. Looks totally the other way around.
No kidding, some of those videos if not in colour or date stamped could literally pass like a Kamikaze attack on a B-17 during WWII.
In reality, under the cowl blind spot of the P-63! How he ended up in this position will be the question.
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Old 12th Nov 2022, 20:34
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Reading on other sites that there are survivors!
You seriously think so?
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You seriously think so?
I don't, but would love to be proven otherwise. Pilots and passengers have occasionally survived far worse.
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Report in the Dallas Morning News suggests that debris has landed on a highway. No news of injuries etc. yet, but agree it looks really bad. No time for anyone to eject, if that was even possible.
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Report in the Dallas Morning News suggests that debris has landed on a highway. No news of injuries etc. yet, but agree it looks really bad. No time for anyone to eject, if that was even possible.
Errr, no - neither aircraft had ejection seats! Thatís not to say some crew may have been ejected, looking at the videos.
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Collision looks to have occurred more or less over the threshold of 31 - "light" debris seems to be scattered between the runway end and Highway 67, but the majority is on airport property I'd think. As ehwatezedoing says, the P-63 pilot seems to have been utterly unsighted while curving in, there were two fighters preceding, probably P-51s, who appeared to be following the runway heading, ahead and to the left of the B-17.
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In one of the videos there is an aircraft (possibly a P51) about half a mile ahead of the B-17,that the Cobra pilot may have been trying to join on,judging by his speed.

Another reminder of the very `close shave` between the 2 Mustangs at Duxford a few years ago,joining on the B-17;you have to see where all the aircraft are,and keep them in sight all the time..if you can`t,then f*** off out...
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Errr, no - neither aircraft had ejection seats! Thatís not to say some crew may have been ejected, looking at the videos.
While I think it's very unlikely to survive such an incident if thrown clear a chute may deploy, or if inside the aircraft parts can on occasion float to earth gently.
Looking at the videos doesn't look at all survivable but happy to be proved wrong.
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While I think it's very unlikely to survive such an incident if thrown clear a chute may deploy, or if inside the aircraft parts can on occasion float to earth gently.
Looking at the videos doesn't look at all survivable but happy to be proved wrong.
Iím pretty sure youíre not going to be proved wrong
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Holly CRAP! What was that Kingcobra pilot thinking? That almost looks intentional!
My reaction too (although I stop short of "intentional"). From one video that shows a wider angle, it looks as a number of aircraft including the B-17 were on a loose left-hand circuit for passes in front of the crowd line. Then the P-63 appears in frame, apparently well inside the circuit and at a higher speed, and converges on the bomber in a pursuit curve, pulling hard left at the last moment. Weird. Never seen anything like it.
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My reaction too (although I stop short of "intentional")
I agree, but looks like criminal negligence
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