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A/c crashed into building at Upper Heyford, pilot baled out, injured.

Old 3rd Apr 2022, 07:36
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A/c crashed into building at Upper Heyford, pilot baled out, injured.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-60967351


Looks like G-MIIL

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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 08:13
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Already the subject of a now deleted thread, presumably the mods will delete this one too.
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Curious to know why it was deleted, last I saw it seemed to be a sensible discussion.

(NB, I also started a thread about the accident at the same time as the other was posted - deleted that one myself...)
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 09:28
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Curious to know why it was deleted, last I saw it seemed to be a sensible discussion.
(NB, I also started a thread about the accident at the same time as the other was posted - deleted that one myself...)
Same here, wondering why, and the thread that remained This could have been a lot worse. doesn't make any sense now....
For those having worn a chute in a GA aircraft, this lucky escape is interesting to share and learn something from. Not like a fake, social media craze, bordering criminal behavior "unplanned" use of a chute out of a GA plane....
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Originally Posted by treadigraph View Post
Curious to know why it was deleted, last I saw it seemed to be a sensible discussion.

(NB, I also started a thread about the accident at the same time as the other was posted - deleted that one myself...)
Deleted by the OP, not a moderation action.

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Thanks SD, a shame they chose to do so...
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Extra NG, occupants would be wearing chutes for aeros.



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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 22:47
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Originally Posted by B2N2 View Post
Extra NG, occupants would be wearing chutes for aeros.
In this case, the occupant (singular) was.
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Old 4th Apr 2022, 01:57
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Does the UK require chutes for aerobatics as does the USA? Not the case here in Oz.
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No, and there are some that don't wear them. I've flown an Extra 200 as my hour with an instructor and had the only parachute.
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I can only think of a few reasons to jump out of an aircraft if it wasn`t being `stunted and bunted` at the time;
loss of the prop which may take it out of the C of G envelope;may have broken engine mounts..
`Flutter` of the elevator/tailplane,although it looks like half the tailplane and both elevators are intact;
Massive fuel leak into the cockpit,assuming fuel tank is fwd of front seat..
And I`ve had experience of both the last two whilst testing for the PFA(as was)...
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The local plod (Thames Valley) were at one point reported as saying that the occupant was rescued from the wreckage. Three witnesses are reported as seeing the pilot bale out.
Looking at the wreckage I have to doubt the (alleged) police report.
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Isn't this a two-seater? Both reports could have been correct. Although a single occupant has been reported as well.
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Any experts here on the seat harness arrangement in an Extra? I believe there are two separate lap straps with unlatch handles pointing in different directions, but I havenít flown this type.
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Originally Posted by Nightstop View Post
Any experts here on the seat harness arrangement in an Extra? I believe there are two separate lap straps with unlatch handles pointing in different directions, but I havenít flown this type.
totally no expert here, but I understand this as single-point release (luckily), only closing in opposite directions
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Standard equipment is a seven-point harness. The two lap belts with single-point release are attached to one harness padding. The lap belts are redundant for safety during aerobatic maneuvers. If one release is opened unintentionally, the second one guarantees full safety. For safe operation the releases are arranged in a way that one has to be closed to the right side, the other one to the left.

Must have been some kind of catastrophic event, approaching steadily, fairly S&L, with (forced) landing options all over the place, and then suddenly the split-second decision to bail out....probably with only seconds to spare.

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Originally Posted by Jhieminga View Post
Isn't this a two-seater? Both reports could have been correct. Although a single occupant has been reported as well.

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Originally Posted by sycamore View Post
I can only think of a few reasons to jump out of an aircraft if it wasn`t being `stunted and bunted` at the time;
loss of the prop which may take it out of the C of G envelope;may have broken engine mounts..
`Flutter` of the elevator/tailplane,although it looks like half the tailplane and both elevators are intact;
Massive fuel leak into the cockpit,assuming fuel tank is fwd of front seat..
And I`ve had experience of both the last two whilst testing for the PFA(as was)...
In general terms, and not specifically related to this accident, other potential reasons for abandoning an aircraft by parachute include jammed flight controls, disconnected flight controls, an onboard fire that will not extinguish, mid air collision, and for some types a failure to achieve correct landing gear lowering. Jammed flying controls due to a loose article is always high on my list of potential reasons.
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@Lomcevak has very reasonably pointed out just some of the very good reasons to bail out. In hindsight they are obvious but the list is not exhaustive as Iím sure he would agree. What is true in every case is that if you have the good fortune of wearing a parachute you must also learn to how to get out. If you are carry a passenger you are obliged to brief them as well. May I suggest the following? Firstly, at less than 3,000 feet make your mind up to leave as quickly as possible. Secondly, after you have decided to jump unlatch the canopy and then undo your straps. You do not need the wait for the canopy to detach. Next, if you have control, push hard and you will be flung out else jump. Lastly, the moment you are out look for your D ring and with both hands pull hard. If you have the time (and steering) you may steer the parachute to a best possible landing and/or into wind. Then prepare for the impact. In this case I believe the Extraís canopy shattered in flight. This resulted in the pilot being blinded by canopy shards. Not being able to see to perform a landing he very sensibly decided to bail out.
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Old 12th Apr 2022, 03:26
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In this case I believe the Extraís canopy shattered in flight. This resulted in the pilot being blinded by canopy shards.
Thatís interesting, was it a birdstrike? Iíve never considered wearing eye protection in a canopied aircraft.
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Common sense,and a hard-hat and visor.....
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