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Dassault Falcon 900EX crash, San Diego

Old 13th Jun 2023, 18:05
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Originally Posted by 20driver
So there was bucket load on information available that said the pilots had "normalized their deviance" but no one picked it up.
The owner of the plane was on board. He did not get what he paid for.
Without the pilots salary data that is unproven......
(many of these outfits don't pay very well)
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Old 13th Jun 2023, 18:23
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Both pilots had been with them for a while. I suspect they paid well but have no knowledge.

What they did pay for was a SMS to monitor their operations. That is how they 175 trips worth of data stored. If the SMS company had done what they were paid for the owners should have received warning that their crew was dropping the ball. I seriously wonder who the company was and if they had to settle or just went out of business. That was an expensive plane with some high worth individuals on board,

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Old 13th Jun 2023, 21:59
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Originally Posted by hans brinker
(many of these outfits don't pay very well)
His original point being the owner paid for 3rd party FOQA-like process which caught the missing F/CTL checks but the fact never reached the front seat?

Although truth be told, monitoring the data is only the beginning. Setting up a checking algorithm to look for a pattern (either persistent or missing) is the key part. I don't think on my middle-jet there is a standard one that watches over flight control check.
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Old 14th Jun 2023, 17:13
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"with some high worth individuals on board,"

I'd rather like to think that all individuals are of high worth.
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Old 8th Jul 2023, 16:49
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Originally Posted by BFSGrad
Just from memory, here’s a few from the U.S.:

N237WR (H25B)
N452DA (LJ35)
N121JM (GLF4)
N560AR (C56X)
N880Z (LJ35)
N605TR (CL60)
N777TY (GLF5)

You might quibble that not all of the above examples are “high-end” or that only one was in the take-off phase, but all were flown by professional, 2-pilot crews and involved negligent ADM as a causal element in the accident.

The N777TY accident is the only one (like N823RC) that did not produce fatalities but will certainly leave you slack-jawed after reading the full accident report.
And I recall the Falcon 50 that overran Greenville, killed both flight crew. Recall neither were typed/current
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Old 8th Jul 2023, 22:58
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Originally Posted by 96flstc
And I recall the Falcon 50 that overran Greenville, killed both flight crew. Recall neither were typed/current
N114TD. Left seat was ATP, FA50 typed, but only SIC. Right seat PPL, non-typed.
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