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C 172 in Toronto the other day...

Old 7th Sep 2020, 12:37
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Well at least the aircraft worked as advertised.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 13:38
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Did anyone notice the sentence "so the instructor attempted an emergency landing on runway 15 with a tight 180 degree turn." in one of the other incidents described?

Here we go again; "The Impossible Turn" strikes once more.

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At many airports near towns and cities, the mantra "Land Straight Ahead" is simply suicidal. So why don't regulators and flight schools (a) enforce the rule that you ALWAYS use ALL the available runway, (tell ATC to sod off if they object to backtracking) so that you might well have room to land ahead with a failure below 500 feet, and (b) properly teach the turnback manoeuvre (very steep descending turn and pull out before hitting the ground) as a last resort if confronted with a housing estate.

That manoeuvre is exactly what my CFI did on my pre-solo check ride when the Auster's engine stopped at 350 ft, but then he was an ex-RAF Spitfire pilot, and it saved both our lives.


By the way, I totally agree that the guy in that video was steering the yoke like a car; he was in a confused irrational panic by that time. I hope that the school's operating licence was pulled by the end of the day.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 14:33
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(a) enforce the rule that you ALWAYS use ALL the available runway, (tell ATC to sod off if they object to backtracking)
Happily at this particular airport (Buttonville, CYKZ) it would be very uncommon to use anything other than the full runway length. It used to be controlled, but the tower was closed a few years ago when the closure of the airport was anticipated. Then the owner kept the airport open, but the tower did not return. Runway 33 is the most commonly used (an was the runway used for both of these accident airplanes) It has very short undershoot and over run areas. The runway is a bit under 4000 feet, the total space for that runway, is about 4600 feet between roads. So, yes,, we always use the whole runway there!
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 04:42
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Canít imagine what the flight schoolís insurance rate will be going forward.
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Old 12th Sep 2020, 05:59
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His lack of rudder skills is clearly evident. Correct use of rudder could have saved him on 3 different occasions: 1. during the initial attempted landing, 2. during the go around, 3. while trying to "Steer" away from the hangar.

How did his instructor/s not pick up on that prior to sending him for on a solo flight?
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 16:57
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Looks like he had his right foot on the brake pedal all the way to the floor. Should have applied his left foot to the clutch to get it back on the runway.
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