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Old 12th Dec 2017, 01:40
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LeadSled
 
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Conned Rod,
Our dear bus driver has posted numerous times now that servicing is not considered by casa and that its only a faa thing.
Actually, if you learn to read and comprehend, that is not what I have said, at all. I even quoted from the Civil Aviation Act 1988 and the Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 on the precise definitions of both, as the starting point to understanding, then followed with just several examples of the contradictions, but that was obviously beyond you.

Please advise me were i may find your interpretation of the word engineer in law.
https://www.aqf.edu.au/
https://www.aqf.edu.au/aqf-qualifications
https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/
https://www.ncver.edu.au/__data/asse...ng-system-2849

You are entitled to your own opinions, you are NOT entitled to your own FACTS.

I don’t have “interpretations” of facts. To assist your further education on the subject I have posted several links, above. Hopefully you may obtain some glimmer of understanding of what “engineer” means as a real professional description.

The starting point to be recognised as what is generally recognised as an professional “engineer” is to meet the requirement for Membership of Engineers Australia. Briefly, a minimum of a Bachelor Degree plus acceptable post graduate experience is the minimum requirement to be admitted as a Member.
That, as a definition, is enshrined in widespread state and Commonwealth legislation, as the minimum qualifications to produce a swathe of engineering certification. Or, where required by law, to be registered as an Engineer.

This is effectively the minimum to be recognised by CASA as what was a “CAR 35” Engineer.

Medicine and the law have virtually exact counterparts, in NSW a person cannot gain a practicing certificate as a Solicitor, unless they meet the requirement of the Law Society of NSW, which is a minimum of a Bachelor Degree or equivalent plus required post graduate training. Likewise, medicine and many other professions.

In my case, I have the equivalent of what is, under the Australian Quality Framework, a Diploma of Engineering, I would never describe myself as an engineer. As inexplicable as it probably seems to you that a "bus driver" could, I sat on the ANTA aviation skills advisory body for a number of years.

In the aviation case, what has turned up in legislation is a wonderful case of like-minded tradesmen (or ex-military non-comms) within and without the national regulator of the day indulging in a bit of “enhanced job description”, enshrining it in regulation, and claiming the title.

What you are classified as by Fair Work Australia (or various organisations going back to the old Arbitration Commission) is more accurate --- you are a tradesman, having (probably) been through a trade school/TAFE/vocational training , and achieved the necessary combination of trade skills and experience.

There are any number of quite amusing example of such inflation, our local council dog catcher becoming a “Pest Control Engineer”, and railway engine drivers in the US are long known as “locomotive engineers”. All relatively harmless affectations, and not recognised by knowledgeable persons for anything other than what they are.

I note that FAA refer variously to “Aviation Maintenance Technicians” or just “A&P” , EASA generally to persons who are Aircraft Maintenance Licence holders.

Tootle pip!!

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