Originally Posted by
OLVpilot
New York ATC is some of the best in the world; scapegoating the controllers is definitely misplaced, when its quite evident that the UAE suffers from a significant lack of training and ability to learn from its mistakes. Spoken by someone who has been based in both arenas....
Don't blame New York controllers because you don't know how to fly a visual approach...
Originally Posted by
OLVpilot
Your company has put the fear of God in you to never ‘fly the aircraft.’ As it’s said before, you instead create convoluted procedures that nobody understands to do the most basic thing; flying the plane and looking outside.
It is what it is, Middle East aviation culture is incapable of self-reflection and progressive changes from within. Too arrogant to listen to what other countries have done to mitigate risk and continually marching forward to keep profits high, pilots fatigued, and accidents in the woodwork.
Originally Posted by
gearlever
OLV, thx, you nailed it.
Originally Posted by
fliion
I really feel for this crew - not because of the error they made (Unlike some) - but because they knew in those moment after of “uh oh - we screwed up” - that while they were preparing to come around and fly the 22 approach - they were fubar’d, pending upgrade gone, final warning coming, safety Dept position in question, Augmentors interrogation on PM’ing, possible downgrade, possible termination - yada yada yada.
The big one will come here not because of the error, but because of the cloud of punitive measures that are coming, as a crew tries to fix errors- because they know that with Fleet , unlike with a good trainer, resilience in getting it on the ground - will be met with swift, warped justice
Originally Posted by
Capn Rex Havoc
Flion has hit the nail on the head. Well said Flion.
I agree, you can't blame this stuff on the crew or R/T procedures. Back to basics and get some real training instead of more checkrides and punishment. Don't wait until the 'big one'.
