Defending myself is a wasted option. Obviously I am not a newbie as I have been posting from here for longer than two years. This is a great company to work for and I have worked elsewhere. The 'good old days' of meetings in the Aviation Club Hangar with guys - only guys in them thar days - voting to accept pay cuts based on management numbers, and then fighting over who buys the kegs; are very sadly behind us. How I wish they could come back but alas they never will. Why did it change? Yes we grew and faster than either company management or the AOA could cope with. The crux is where do we go from here? Forward or back? The issues are never black and white, it seems obvious to me that the wrong folk got in charge. Read that any way you want. CX is going to grow further yet, China, trans Atlantic etc. Wouldn't it be good if we had a management that could work and hold dialogue with a pilot union body representing us with maturity and with the common ideals of benefit to shareolders and employees alike. Yikes I dream. But I know who puts the cream in my coffee and I always have. Arthur Scargill was, you know, eventually forced to resign from his union by the union. As we are at the anniversary of the BofB maybe a Churchill quote 'jaw jaw not war war' is not inappropriate. Good luck all.