Dear FR, awake are we? Doesn't seem so really. The point is that even should the AOA win the court actions the 49ers at best will receive a financial settlement, not re-instatement. Dear goodness man just quote fully and try to make sense of sentences instead of picking out clauses. And, should victory in OS courts put pressure on Hong Kong Industrial law what do you think the company will do? Finally I never used the noun 'members' in stating the obvious effect to the cause of the previous sentence. I was talking about the rest of US not YOU pinhead. BusyB. The actions of the AOA could have been improved - that wouldn't have been very hard even. But now alas it is too late. Do they still have, even with their dodgy figures, 50% of the pilot body as members? Maybe, but only just. As a point of order - that you won't like, I have not been maltreated in any of my years with the company. When I was sick they were great and very helpful - that was recent. When my parents sadly passed away over a couple of years one with lingering sickness - they were great, sympathetic and helpful. When I ran out of compassionate leave one of those you love to villify said 'don't worry about it just go, we will sort it out'. And they did with no hit on my rec leave even after extending my time away causing disruption to the roster. Am I a company man, of course I am. Do I find the AOA ludicrous, of course I do. Do I want an enlightened Union run by grown ups to represent the pilots? Of course I do. I just laugh when you clowns call me a 'sycophant' or a 'Freehills Consultant' it just shows your childishness for all to see. By the by, are we going to be blessed by another visit from those brilliant folk from the good old US of A any day soon? They must have more ways to help (and I use the word very loosely) the AOA members in their honourable struggle against the big, bad and nasty company management. Have a nice day folks, on duty today be back late tonight hope you are still up.