Conflating the terms & meanings of "management" I feel....When most posters on here refer to or are "blaming" management for the debacle it is understood it would be accepted that that means the v man referred to above Mr S & Greybull..That`s what is meant & it is a wee bit precious of an earlier poster (LGS6753) to assume we refer to managers who perhaps run the day to day office...& BTW we do not appreciate being referred to as idiots.. Thank you..