Originally Posted by
magicmick
At the risk of getting back on topic.
Sounds like an interesting scheme.
What happens if someone has already completed the VA MCC and JOC, are they expected to pay for another course if they pass through the Phase 1 selection process?
Are all graduates of the VA MCC and JOC course in full time flying employment?
If not why don’t VA simply recommend some of their better graduates of the MCC and JOC course to Titan, who could review their training records and assess them maybe with a basic sim test and interview before offering them the type rating?
A more cynical person might suggest that the above course of action would mean that VA make no money out of the selection process and subsequent MCC and JOC courses.
If you do not already have an MCC or JOC and you were going to do the VA course anyway then it’s a no brainer, go for it. If you already have MCC and JOC then there’s the risk of stumping up for a qualification that you already have and not making the grade required during training.
Good luck to those that choose to go ahead and apply.
Thanks for your comment - and for getting things back on topic
This programme is intended for pilots without an MCC qualification.
For now at least, a fair percentage of those applying will have an MCC qualification already. That’s because schemes like this are still the exception rather than the norm, so most pilots will still go straight from CPL/IR to an MCC/JOC course.
Unfortunately there’s no way around that until schemes like this - hopefully - become more commonplace.
When you ask why Titan don’t simply take graduates of our MCC/JOC course, this is actually how most airlines currently hire cadet pilots - and it’s exactly what we want to change.
Pilots currently invest their own money into an MCC/JOC course - with us or with any other provider - without any guarantee of job at the end. The best will secure a job quickly, but the vast majority of those will still have to cough up £30K+ for a type rating if they want to accept that job.
An obvious exception to this Jet2’s excellent Pilot Apprentice Programme.
For an airline to invest in paying upfront for a type rating and base training, just looking at an individual’s training record and conducting a sim assessment doesn’t give them much security.
In this case, the airline taking control of the selection process at an earlier earlier stage than normal and then overseeing the subsequent comprehensive MCC/JOC training gives them the certainty needed to assume the risk in funding the type rating and base training.
We are hopeful that more airlines will start hiring in this way, and believe it’s in the interest of both the airline and the individual. If this programme is successful, it’s our goal that airlines will start to fund the MCC/JOC training as well as the type rating.
If pilots who have already been through our MCC/JOC (or any other provider’s) want to apply, they are welcome, but they will still need to go through every stage, just a like an applicant without an MCC. Those are the rules of engagement. The airline overseeing this MCC/JOC and having final Skills Test sign-off is key to them funding the TR. This still offers a much lower ‘cost to right hand seat’ than paying £30K+ to an airline for their type rating.