zzuf, long haul Y class became intolerable for me quite some years ago. I found that with learning a few little tricks, and not needing to book at short notice, there were some very reasonable C Class fares about. My personal maximum tolerance of Y class is 4.5 hours. Anything over that and it's C Class for me. Sure, it's still not cheap but it takes so much stress away from air travel these days. My sons have adopted the same principle and even convinced friends to do so too.
