I'll have a shot at these but am suspecting I will soon be tied in knots by those with a deeper grasp of the regs.
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Bob owns a Cessna Caravan. He pays you $1,000 per day to fly him and his family around Australia. Do you have to hold a CPL to be PIC of the aircraft while engaged in that operation, and does that operation have to be authorised by an AOC?
I would guess not private because due other passengers - it is not just for the personal transportation of the owner of the aircraft - it is not just the owner in the a/c and this falls foul of 7(A)
(c) no payment is made for the services of the operating crew; and
(d) the persons on the flight, including the operating crew, share equally in the costs of the flight; and
(e) no payment is required for a person on the flight other than a payment under paragraph (d).
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Bob's neighbour decides he'd like to take himself and his family on the same round Australia tour, and pay you $1,000 to do be PIC of Bob's aircraft. Do you have to hold a CPL to be PIC of the aircraft while engaged in that operation, and does that operation have to be authorised by an AOC?
guessing not private due 7(A)
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Bob also owns a cattle farm and a Cessna 172. He pays you $1,000 a day to muster cattle on Bob's farm, using Bob's Cessna 172. Do you have to hold a CPL to be PIC of the aircraft while engaged in that operation, and does that operation have to be authorised by an AOC?
I would guess not private because
1. mustering is not spotting - mustering is aerial work, although in practice I know this is an nuanced area. No names, no pack drill
2. unless you are paid $1000 a day as an employee of Bob whether you fly or not, you can't receive remuneration for being the pilot.
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Bob's neighbour would like to pay you to do some cattle mustering on the neighbour's property in Bob's Cessna 172. Bob's neighbour will pay you $1,000. Do you have to hold a CPL to be PIC of the aircraft while engaged in that operation, and does that operation have to be authorised by an AOC?
guessing not private - as above, mustering is not spotting and you are not on Bob's property and you are receiving remuneration for being the pilot
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Bob also owns a Cessna 185.
Bob is a lucky bugger. I wouldn't mind being able to own his stable of aeroplanes. Especially the 185
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
He charges tourists $1,000 per head for sightseeing flights over Brisbane, and pays you to fly the aircraft. Do you have to hold a CPL to be PIC of the aircraft while engaged in that operation, and does that operation have to be authorised by an AOC?
I would guess not private - falls foul of 7(D)
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Would your answer be different if the only passengers were Bob and his family?
no... if only Bob it would I think work but not his family.
Originally Posted by
Lead Balloon
Bob then decides that he will sell tickets only to tourists (other than members of his family) who will jump out half way through the flight, strapped to an expert in tandem parachute jumps. Does that turn the operation into one that does not have to be authorised by an AOC or piloted by CPLs?
if you comply with the APF rules I am thinking you may wriggle out of this but think lawyers would be needed if push came to shove as this smells like a commercial operation.
I may be wrong in the above - I am curious how you would interpret the above situations.
My guess is Bob is in big doodoo unless he drops the tourists out and can claim he is doing so under the APF banner.
If he is selling his 185 to cover his legal bills could you drop me a line?