LAVDUMP, the ETOPS issue is a valid one. Click on the link below to see JNB-EZE, GIG and GRU direct routings. The shaded area is where 180 minutes ETOPs is. In a 777, you would have a detour to make. . .. .However, with 207 ETOPS, it's another story. But I doubt SAA could be bothered.. .. .<a href="http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=JNB-GIG%0D%0AJNB-GRU%0D%0AJNB-EZE%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PAT" target="_blank">http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=JNB-GIG%0D%0AJNB-GRU%0D%0AJNB-EZE%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PAT</a> H-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=180. . . . <small>[ 07 March 2002, 20:13: Message edited by: BahrainLad ]</small>