I am sure that the Israeli AF are very secretive about how they use their jets. The point I am trying to make is about the title 5th generation and from that, that the inference all pre so called 5th generation aircraft are somehow inferior. There are lots of attributes that for example Typhoon or F18 Growler posess that F35 does not. Just because they are not termed 5th generation doesn't render them inferior. LO is likely to become defeated at some point and then the real question is whether F35 remains the most capable jet on the planet...