Disturbing is the fact the pilots are assuming control and responsibility at points in time they do not have it.
Legally speaking- another person has this responsibility but numerous pilots refuse to accept this - now that is scary.
Chains of command and rules must be followed by all - by all means start a plan but know who has legal responsibility at any point and respect that and then follow their commands.
Any PIC that can not understand that should not be a PIC.
They can make requests but not make orders farmer, they must follow them.