Ornithopter if you must post then lets stick to
FACT, not
RUMOUR
When BACX people complain about BAR loosing money and being lumped with BACX, it is things like the 767 flying out of MAN which is 'BACX' but cannot be flown by BACX pilots and allegedly looses money. Surely you can understand why people say that sort of thing?
Yes, because they've been too lazy to bother checking the facts. The 767 was a BAR service, latterly operated for BACX like all BAR services were. BACX and BAR were
entirely seperate financial entities, which published seperate accounts. BAR made money, BACX to my knowledge has never made a significant profit since it's formation. All the ground handling at MAN and BHX was accounted for under the BAR budget too, so you can't claim they got it free.
IF BAR made money, why did BA keep talking about its loss making regional business (and I don't mean BACX)
Well they
did mean BACX. See above. In the 12 months post Sept11th 2001 BAR was the only fleet in BA to make profits, £12M pounds worth. I still have the BA news reporting this 'loss'.
Why did they impose £79 fares on routes that were full with £300 fares being paid at BACX, which then turned around and made a loss (surprise!)?
Now you're really letting yourself down with this one. Do you think Ryanair or Easy sell all their seats at £1? Of course they don't so I'll say no more. Its easy to charge £300 when you have a monopoly, not so easy when the low costs start to compete though, as BACX found.
the way they saw it was that BA transfer the RJ to BACX and the Airbus to mainline, merge BACX with BAR and voila, the jobs are all the same, but on different aircraft at different bases
Well we saw it differently. It was a straight transfer of 200 jobs from BA mainline to BACX, a move the BACC was absolutely right to oppose. Hardly all the same jobs when one has substantially poorer terms and conditions.
Would you accept it if BA said everyone on Ornithopter's fleet gets to bid for Concorde, while everyone on Hand's fleet get to stay where they are for a very long time?
Is something better than nothing? Is your glass half full or empty? Thats for BACX to decide, not us.
Ever heard of the yanks taking seats out of an aircraft to keep it below a scope limit? Do you think that would never have happened?
Yes, thats why the Scope agreement precludes it. You should try reading it.
Can't you see that mixing pilots of one airline with another advantages one airline to the cost of another? What have the guys in the smaller airline done to deserve that?
Perhaps, but which way is the advantage going in this scenario? BACX now have access to plenty of RJ commands and jet flying they previously did not. Whilst the BA secondees are now well paid, the opportunity to bid for those commands is very restricted and BA pilots have effectively lost a significant number of command opportunities. BA BALPA could have said no to any BACX RJ flying if they'd wanted, would that have been a better solution for you?
You say you want BALPA to represent us all rather than making groups fight each other. Well what is they best way to represent us all? By striving to uphold better pay and conditions, or negotiating them down to the lowest common denominator. BACX pilots were more than happy to undermine the BAR pilots position by doing their work for lower wages. Is that the solidarity you crave?