I'm with you Gnadenburg and appreciate EXACTLY where you are coming from. On a lighter side - don't forget to include we Collingwood supporters with the pinkos, lesbians etc,.
Joffa and I are having lunch together next month at Young and Jacksons, if you are interested, PM me.
As for Bob Hawke, I have never kicked a bloke when he is down and don't intend to start now.
Keep the faith:]