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Old 6th December 2001 | 02:56
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scanscanscan
 
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DGF ...From the MDA altitude ..you quote, some could say that means you would be maintaining MDA and be expected to be useing duck and drive methods.
However you could get to the mda at the vdp point, if you are lucky, and use the stabilised approach slope of 3degrees to get there.
I think the main problem is the stabilised, 3 degree boys are useing Jepperson plates which show stepdowns as a profile to be flown and no defined VDP fix,they show level offs and a level drive into the map.
In a court of law, if you lived to tell the tale, you were not flying or even attempting to fly the published profile, and you would be guilty, with your employer, of doing your own thing and not in accordance with the plate, even if you used the defence that it is a minimas plate and our method was based on not busting them.
Also the judge would see that the pf could not fly or monitor (if in map mode) properly from his approach plate, and had to hope the pnf could interpret the whole lot useing raw data off his dive drive plate,and communicate that to pf, whilst on a stabilised 3 degreeish path, with the little hills all around.
If the commander was the pf (flying blind) it is necessary for the 300hr fo to order the 411a in the left seat to turn, descend, goaround etc,etc, to a judge it would appear that NPAs today are generally real snafus and the BBC panorama and Daily Mail readers would agree.
On a npa both pilots are in a heavy high speed jet,and often useing plates still predicated on an Apache twin.
From MDA to 1500ft agl on a missed approach in a A330 comes up pretty dam quick at diversion weights on two engines at goaround thrust, flying that manually and not nailing the 1500ft in the sim helped lose a pilot I know his 330 command and later his job.
I feel heavy metal aircraft need redrawn stabilised,3degree NPA plates, that reflect this modern profile and allow for the vastly increased aircraft performance.
If the USA and Faa wish to maintain duck and drive then they can, however the rest of the world should have proper 3 degreeish stabilised plates and fly to them legally.
Many more folk will die due to confused pilots unable to cope in the time allowed or available in the situation that exists today.
How many loft exercises include a cancelled ILS on downwind vectors to real time vectors for a non familiar NPA to a different runway, and keep your speed up, and say your soles on board,change frequency etc...it does not not have to be made so difficult that only senior dedicated sky pilots can do them solo after 6 sim sessions of study.
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