Dick, you started this thread asking for a bit of history about FS and ATC, PREIA and CAOOAA. It has now drifted to one of your favourites, MDX and death by pressonitis. The forecast was crap and not suitable for night VMC. The aircraft wasn't approved for icing conditions. The pilot could have landed at Ballina, Coffs Harbour or Taree but chose to press on and not say anything until it was too late. What do you hope to gain that hasn't been gone over before?