I think Spodman has nailed it - but as I keep trying to get across CASA and Airservices are only extensions of the Federal Government. Neither has any will to do anything that they are not ordered to do by the Minister through the DIRD. Their senior management left alone they will naturally be attracted to the line of least resistance - what is it that the Minister wants - peace and quiet, Cabinet promotion and to be re-elected. Why does anybody think this is anything to do with aviation