Jonno & Capt Waffo Sorry to sound so naieve (no I can't spell) but the thread seemed to be moving towards justifying the fag packet log. I realise that I was speaking from a perfect world as I get the same pressure as you chaps. Quote "If you don't sign it off all these passsengers will have to be put up in hotels." . .With a journo reading some of these posts I wanted such a reaction to bring us back on track.. .The other reason is we engineers are seen more and more as a cost than an asset. If it were possible to get the pilot to fix the plane instead of resting I'm sure my company would push it through. Less engineers = Lower wage bill. . .OK what I really want is more trips to fix 'em in warmer climes and if you don't snag em I can't fix 'em.