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Old 13th Jan 2017, 08:38
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NAVIGATIONAL WARNING TO ALL CONCERNED:
AS REGARDS TO THE GREEK NOTAM A2086/15 WHICH GIVES REFERENCE TO THE
FIR LIMIT BY GIVING GEOGRAPHICAL COORDINATES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO REFER ONCE AGAIN TO THE TURKISH AIP ENR 2.1-1 WHICH
STATES THAT THE PORTION OF ISTANBUL FIR LIMIT BETWEEN THE POINT
360456N-0295958E AND THE POINT COINCIDING WITH THE BEGINNING POINT
OF THE TURKISH-GREEK LAND BORDER DOES NOT REFLECT OR IMPLY IN ANY
WAY ANY EXPRESSION OF OPINION WHATSOEVER REGARDING THE DELIMITATION
OF ANY KIND OF BOUNDARY AMONG THE PARTIES CONCERNED OR A BILATERALLY
AGREED PRACTICE. THE SAID LINE IS PURELY THEORETICAL AND SOLELY
SERVES ATS PURPOSES. THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION, INCLUDING COPS
PRESENTED IN REFERENCE TO THIS PART OF THE FIR IS FICTITIOUS AND
THER SOLE PURPOSE IS LIMITED TO ATS REQUIREMENTS.)
A4814/15
FROM: 19 OCT 2015 14:28 TO: PERM
NAVIGATIONAL WARNING:
WITH REFERENCE TO THE TURKISH AIP SUP 28/05 WE POINT OUT THE
FOLLOWING:
A.- THE ATHINAI/ISTANBUL FIR BOUNDARY BETWEEN POINTS 404500N0261000E
AND 360500N0300000E HAS BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED BY ICAO REGIONAL
AGREEMENTS AND CONSEQUENTLY IS FOUNDED ON AN AUDOUBTEDLY SOUND LEGAL
BASIS AS NOTED IN OUR A1709/07 LGGGYNYX NOTAM.
MORE SPECIFICALLY THE DELIMITATION OF THIS BOUNDARY WAS COMPLETED
DURING THE SECOND MIDDLE EAST AND THIRD EUROPEAN-MEDITERRANEAN
REGIONAL AIR NAVIGATION MEETINGS (ISTANBUL OCT-NOV 1950 AND PARIS
FEB-MAR 1952) AND SUBSEQUENTLY APPROVED BY THE ICAO COUNCIL ON
DECEMBER 14 1950 AND JUNE 23 1952 RESPECTIVELY.
THE AGREED AND APPROVED ATHINAI/ISTANBUL FIR BOUNDARY IS CLEARLY
DEPICTED ON MAP NO 7 OF THE 1952 REGIONAL AIR NAVIGATION AGREEMENT
AND REPORTED IN THE AIR NAVIGATION PLAN FOR THE EUROPEAN REGION
CHARTS ATS 1A ICAO DOC 7754 AS WELL AS ON ALL THE FOLLOWING ICAO
AERONAUTICAL CHARTS THUS CONSTITUTING AN INTERNATIONAL LEGALLY
ESTABLISHED REGIME CONFIRMED BY A LONG STANDING PRACTICE NOT LEAVING
SPACE FOR MISLEADING OR MISINTERPRETATIONS.
B.- THE NEW COPS STATED IN THE AIP-GREECE PAGES ENR 4.4-1 AND ENR
4.4-5 NAMELY BELGI RIKSO PIROX SOTIV AND BENEM CALCULATED AND
SUBMITTED BY ICAO IN HIS RELEVANT LETTERS TO GREECE AND TURKEY AND
SUBSEQUENTLY ACCEPTED AND PUBLISHED BY THEM AS WELL AS OTHER COPS
PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED NAMELY GOLDO AMANI VEXOL REDRA SITRU AND
BANRO COINCIDE WITH THE ATHINAI/ISTANBUL FIR BOUNDARY ACCORING TO
THE ICAO AERONAUTICAL CHARTS AND THE LONG STANDING PRACTICE AS
MENTIONED ABOVE.
FOR ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED REASONS FULLY CONSISTENT WITH ICAO
CONSIDERATIONS AND NEEDS THE TURKISH AIP SUP 28/05 IS IRRELEVANT IN
ITS ENTIRETY AND NOT PRODUCINGANY INTERNATIONALLY LEGAL EFFECT.
A2086/15
FROM: 19 OCT 2015 10:09 TO: PERM
No doubt highly ESSENTIAL.
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