Hi everybody,
Here is some info for those of us even considering China Southern (CSA). Have recently heard of the following instances. Think I will be staying put. What a joke
Instance 1:
787 - Foreign captain doing his check, chinese (CAAC/CSA) Senior Check Captain continually screaming at him in the flight deck during pre-flight setup. This continues, Chief Purser has to inform the flight deck the business class passengers are concerned about the ranting they can hear ! Foreign captain repeatedly asks the Check Captain to stop screaming as it was severely compromising the safety to continue the flight. Checkie had some issue regarding SOP’s, apparently unfounded too
Screaming continues to the point the foreign captain is left with no option but to remove himself from the flight. Foreign captain terminated ! Check Captain keeps face, no criticism whatsoever, WTF ?
Instance 2:
777 - Foreign captain has personal issue that unfortunately left no option but to resign. Gives required contractual notice and CSA accept his resignation. Issue arises whereby CSA inform his broker (
sounds like ‘park’) there is US$7,500 bond owing under the master contract between CSA and broker. Broker realizes they themselves were legally obligated to pay the bond as the contract they had with the foreign captain was not in accordance with the master contract. Something to do with bond period commencing at a different date to the master contract. Apparently some brokers tweek their contracts to make it look more attractive than their competition, until they get caught out like this
The broker with cooperation of CSA 'alledgedly' conspired together and then decided to terminate the foreign pilot to bring forward his finish date by around 10 days and therefore have him pay the bond, even though they previously accepted his resignation. Disgusting !
Instance 3:
330 - Foreign captain gets seriously ill for a few weeks, hospitalized. Leave is apparently minimal in CSA, and unable to be carried forward. Foreign pilot has used up all of his leave as the calendar year is almost over. CSA stop paying salary, and because he has no leave left, is then fined / penalized US$600 a day. Yes, that’s right, no pay and on top of that, he has to pay his employer US$600 a day because he is seriously ill.
Apparently the contract provides for CSA to reduce pay to US$100 a day if your medical is disqualified, but seems CSA decided not to cancel his medical as the contract provides for them to charge the pilot US$600 a day if he hold his medical, has no leave and is not at work. Can you believe this ?
The foreign captain had paid for extensive income protection insurance with a ‘no waiting period’ but he was prevented from being able to claim it as it is dependent upon losing your medical certificate.
Please, if anyone who is actually in CSA wish to correct the above, by all means do so.
It is only fair that EVERYONE should be very aware of this broker’s immoral and deceitful behavior (
sounds like ‘park’) along with the way China Southern treat some of their foreign pilots across all fleets. It seems like a massive step to give up a known and trusted employer to go to China, only to be treated like that.
No thanks