ltp
whilst i agree with most of what you have said on this thread there are a few points i would like to raise as a pennine controller
first minor point masor never inform us or
the other sectors at manch of the off route status
secondly the re-route after the very close shave you mentioned still involved being off route between pole hill and newcastle as the airway was not established at that time
i agree that some (most not from our shores) don't understand the service that they are getting which is not great but the vast majority that i have dealt with over the years have a healthy respect for the airsapce and are very switched on
i would never miss-call the mill controllers but they are under a different kind of pressure than we on the civil side in that the pilots seem to try too force the issue more
example mil pilot on ris when you phone for co-ordination when giving a ras and the reply is ok i will call you in not a lot of help
that was a worst case but still happened lot
must admit though the current (political) situation is not ideal by any means which london mil and ourselves both agree
just trying to help don't like too see you and hug at loggerheads
regrds maine
