Hugmonster, I am afraid that Lost the Picture actually seems to be able to see the bigger picture and I'm not being biased. A lot of these civ airliners flying through the VoY (including big airbuses for cripes sake) should not be there. Many pilots seem to think that they are still on-route, even more haven't got a clue what we are talking about when we ask them what type of radar service they require. We impose RAS because it's the best that we can do, but they DON'T UNDERSTAND what their responsibilities are under RAS. How safe is that??? On a weekend recently I actually explained RAS to a KLM pilot over the RT because he was the only guy on freq. After a couple of minutes he said 'ohhhhh, is that how it works!' Strangely enough when I then called traffic to him he said that he was 'good VMC and happy to continue' as well he might be. There was no cloud at all, 80k's vis nil wx. Learning had taken place!