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Old 10th Oct 2016, 00:21
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One has to remember that cultural clashes are common, and that many people hold a, "one size fits all", opinion of other cultures that are substantially different to their own - which of course, is not true.

There's arrogance in every culture - but the Saxons seem to have had more than their fair share of it. There are many people with Saxon ancestry in America - but there are also many British people who carry Saxon ancestry, and practice a good deal of arrogance.

I recently crossed swords with a couple of "good ol' boys" on another forum - who were bragging about how, in WW1, (Gen.) John Joseph ("Black Jack") Pershing told them Brits where to get off, when he withdrew all his troops from under British control at the start of the real action for the American Doughboys in July 1918.
These "good ol' boys" were relishing how Jack Pershing told the Brits the Americans were going to fight WW1, on their terms - and they weren't going to be told what to do militarily, by any of those stinking, tea-sipping, Brits!

I had to point out to them, that the true story is actually a whole lot different. The Americans rocked up to WW1 simply without any real fighting experience.
In Army terms, they were "green reos", with no knowledge of infantry tactics, no knowledge of the cunning tactics used by the Germans - but full of gung-ho bravado.

The British were rightly concerned about the lack of tactical skills possessed by the Americans, and accordingly decided to "embed" (to use that very-recent, cute word) 10 companies of the Americans, with the Australian Diggers, to give them the very necessary grounding in basic infantry tactics, that the Americans needed.
Pershing was outraged about this, as he claimed the original agreement was the American Doughboys were to be kept in reserve as emergency forces to contain the Germans in case of a German breakout, or overrun of the Allied forces. Accordingly, he threatened to withdraw all his troops.

There were some more strained negotiations between Pershing and the British Generals, and Pershing finally realised, that the British plan probably did have merit - so he relented and allowed 4 American companies to be embedded with the Australian Diggers at the Battle of Hamel, to bring them up to speed.

Now, there wasn't the undercurrent of ill-feeling between the Australians and the Americans - just a degree of curiosity by the Diggers, at the difference in the way the Americans operated.
The Diggers were surprised at the lack of infantry tactics knowledge and training preparedness of the Americans - but they also quickly realised the American Doughboys didn't lack courage - in fact they were too "gung-ho", and the Diggers often had to pull the Doughboys back from getting themselves killed, by being too enthusiastic, or falling into cunning German traps.

The Diggers were quite happy to train up the Doughboys in effective infantry tactics - and the Doughboys were quick learners.
In fact, the infantry tactics taught by the Diggers to the Doughboys in 1918, have remained the world standard for effective modern infantry tactics, ever since.

The Battle of Hamel, organised and overseen by Gen. Sir John Monash, remains a classic of perfect co-ordination of men and equipment - of co-ordination of infantry, artillery and air forces, that set the basic principles of modern warfare in stone.
Even the timing of the action at Hamel was set to the minute. Monash planned the battle to succeed in 90 minutes, it took 94 minutes to carry it out, to its stunningly successful conclusion.

The AWM has a lot of information and photos of the interaction between the Diggers and the Doughboys during 1918. The relationships between the Diggers and Doughboys was more cordial and respectful of each other, than the relationship between the Doughboys and the Tommies.

It appears obvious there was still an undercurrent of lingering bitterness towards the British by a number of the Doughboys - and no doubt, some of that was due to a Tea Party event, that was still fresh in the minds of many Americans - and no doubt due to a large number of Americans having very recent Germanic ancestry.

A striking feature of the understanding of relationships by the Americans in WW1, was their failure to understand the cultural ties between the Aussies and the British. It appears many Americans thought the Aussies regarded the British as a former enemy, too.
They obviously failed to grasp the fact that many of the Diggers were of British birth, and Britain was still regarded as the Mother Country - even though the Diggers considered themselves substantially different, and believe they possessed more initiative than British Tommies - and of course, the Diggers didn't have the total deference to rank and class, that the British soldiers had.

To conclude, the "good ol' boys" never replied to my history correction - it probably made them choke on their grits and gravy, to find that they didn't invent modern infantry tactics, and go on to teach them to the rest of the world!

I won't even start on how the Americans took French tanks home at the end of WW1, and copied them!!

https://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j35/blair/
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