Originally Posted by
A_Van
Looks like those "investigators" do not know the basics. There are two obvious suspects: Ukrainian governmental forces who had a couple of dozen operational Buks around the place, and Ukrainian rebels that might have 1-2 damaged Buks dropped by the retreating army.
Why are you discounting the theory of the loaned Buk from the Russian Army?
The fact is ignored that it was a missile of an old Buk that was retired from the Russian army long ago but is still in wide use in Ukraine, etc. etc.
But is it? This is what the Russians desperately want to promote. They want the bow-tie fragments to go away.
The Dutch Safety Board has the warhead down as the 9N314M. (Cubic, Irregular and Bow-Tie fragments)
The Russians are suggesting that the warhead must have been the 9N314. (Cubic and Irregular fragments)
The Russians can't work out why Bow-tie warhead fragments have been found in the wreckage and in human remains.
Bow-tie fragments were recovered from the body of the Captain of MH17 and other human remains.
Almaz-Antey back in June 2015 claimed during their detailed presentation that it was a 9M38M1. They also suggested at the time that the M1 was no longer used by Russian Forces which was a bit of a white lie.
Now they have changed their tune and claim that it was a 9M38 with the caveat of they can't understand why M1 fragments are amongst the evidence.
"The only thing that we do not yet understand are why fragments of 9M38M1 are amongst the evidence."
Video: MH17: Russian missile company seeks to debunk official report into air disaster - Telegraph
As someone has pointed out on PPRuNe. "Sounds like they have been told what to, "understand"!"
http://www.pprune.org/9146195-post31.html
The question is who is pulling Almaz-Antey's strings here?
The white lie on the M1s and now they are throwing in the red herring of they don't understand why 9M38M1 warhead fragments were found?
9M38M1 was still regularly available to the Russian Military. The early variant missiles are regularly expended during test and exercises. Only natural that they will use up older stocks as these missiles reach their shelf life.
It simply smacks of deflection by the Russians. They need to make the bow-tie fragments go away. No different to the ridiculous non-sense that the Russian Ministry of Defence were peddling during their MH17 press conference. Everything had to be made to go away. Video footage of the Buk claimed in rebel hands had to be geo-located to Ukrainian territory. The video footage was geo-located to Luhansk within days of this lie from the Russians.
The good example of such fact is that some mass media showed transportation of the Buk-M1 missile system from Ukrainian to Russian territory.We can clearly see that its frame-up. These pictures were made in the city of Krasnoarmeisk that is confirmed by a banner situated close to the road. This banner has an address of the car shop situated at the Dnepropetrovskaya, 34. Since May 11 the Krasnoarmeysk city is under control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
They still have this claim on the Russian Embassy in UK website. It is just embarrassing!
Special Briefing by the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation on the crash of the Malaysian Boeing 777 in the Ukrainian air space, July 21, 2014
The JIT have released new video of the Buk claimed to be in rebel hands.
It is edited in order to protect the eyewitness/filmer.
https://static.politie.nl/binaries/c...rred_sound.mp4
It does provide further proof to the theory that one specific Buk TELAR previously seen in Russia crossed the border into Eastern Ukraine. The Russian Army Buk units in the deployed convoy messed up badly with their operational security and postings on social media. All that was hoovered up by the likes of Bellingcat and team and supplied to the JIT.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-a...ss-conference/