Thank you everyone for this thread I have enjoyed it so far. I had a friend who Flew for BAF in the 70's his name was John Jackson does anybody remember him, I always wanted to fly the Herald and the Viscount but sadly it never happened I ended up with Dan-Air at the end of the 70's in Aberdeen. Ah Sumburgh Very fond Memory's, we had some old Captains ex Tridents one of them when i first Flew with this character he said he was going to the G E way some of you will know him. He may have past on by now over the hill lined up for 33, The departure of 33 was great if i remember rightly the Turn just after rotate was an emergency Turn ( correct me if i am wrong ). The Correct approach according to Captain John Smith was 550ft level on the inside of lighthouse then full flap then descending turn Great fun it was. The Poor farmer near the Threshold. Those were the Days T211