Nige....couldn't agree more mate....back-seat ground-bound drivers - rrrrr. (And we're fully aware of when to use rev. idle - ie; whenever we can, 'cos frequently the wheelbrakes on the 777 are so effective, and the wing is so good, that the Trent has little time to spool up to any significant rev. epr before the 100-80-60 kt calls, where wheel-braking becomes more efficient. Brake wear is currently cheaper than fuel and rev. wear-and-tear. We're also very aware of the need to clear the rwy expeditiously....Frang - you think the rwys in the US aren't busy enough? Odd posting you put out earlier...)