Back in the day, winning was encouraged over accepting loss. Back in the day, UE was recognised as intellectual capacity. NCEA wtf is that and how do you define 'achievement' as an employer? It will be a cold day in hell before I allow my kids to be encouraged to underachieve. There is a whole culture of 'dumbing down' of qualifications and experience in nz as it's seen to be the 'pc' thing do do. I'm impartial to this argument, I'm just saying things aren't how they used to be, rather, how they should be. I could do a tertiary degree in HR in a few years, does that qualify me to decide who or who can't command a commercial airliner? I'm not taking sides on this, It will be balanced between those who flame me and support my comments but that's a reflection of today's society, business environment and employment market