Now it looks likely any new VA pilots will be behind all of the Tiger pilots too on a combined seniority list. The unions are considering a group date of join of around April 2016 from what I understand. And if you join Tiger you'll also be behind ALL of the existing Virgin group pilots before you can get a command. A joint seniority list sounds good, but this is getting out of control! What number would new starters be? 3000ish?