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Old 27th May 2016, 16:16
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OK, glass of cold water everybody and a deep breath.

This discussion , as I understand it, did not start about who has final authority ( the PIC has we agree ) but about following or not an ATC instruction to stop or cancelling a Take off clearance . These are 2 different things.

Stone cold : When I work(ed) I did not look at Wikepedia but at my Ops Manual , which is based on the AIP of the FIR I operate(d)
Just checked, still there , google the AIP GERMANY , ENR 1.1-16. pilots guidance.

Chesty Morgan : Do not shoot the messenger I did not write this.
But in my 35 years experience as a controller , in a quite busy piece of airspace, I never , ever encountered anyone refusing to follow my instructions. Nor I have heard of one . So we are here debating about the sex of the angels ( French expression ). This does not happen in reality and neither it did in this case ( the SQ stopped as instructed )

Stone cold again : If you want to discuss ueberlingen read the official BFU report , not ASN...it will save you embarrassing yourself.
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