AirbusChuck, ... there you go, "It's suspiciously vanished", my comment "I can't get it any clearer" wasn't directed at your post ( that's how I'm interpreting your comment ) ... what I am saying is what MonarchMan says " And it will NEVER change so long as an ASR along with a fatigue report isn't submitted. Make a choice, either be part of the solution or part of the problem, state the facts and not opinion." ..... and that said, thats what I do. And I meant what I said above ... "It's suspiciously vanished" or maybe I've just missed something also.