Olster, I don't wish to digress on this thread, but in short, those three and the others on the council endorsed and signed a deal that was kept secret from the membership and rest of the pilots until ratified that cost senior FOs their loyalty bonuses and a lot of flight pay. The deal cost senior FOs £14pa and 2 weeks leave. The capts on the council were all made TREs a month later, and a month after that, all company TREs got a 25% pay rise. Make of that what you will...