I don't think jet upset training is done in HKG- there is far more regulatory obsession with timing holding patterns !
Anyway, jet upset training needs to move beyond the scope of a decade or so ago where airline pilots ( some but maybe not in HKG ) were trained in recovery from the conventional upsets defined as being beyond 45 degrees bank, +25 & -10 degrees of pitch. Excursions beyond these parameters met elemental principles of recovery and fell within sim fidelity.
It's a difficult subject to address though the new world of upsets is not coventional jet aircraft, it is FBW aircraft where systems reconfigurations and errors probably require a greater knowledge and exposure than before.
The contemporary upset can see crews fighting the aircraft which is correctly or incorrectly actioning a recovery. We have examples of this locally.
The military versus civilian debate is moot. Would all modern Airbus airline crews for instance, have correctly turned off flight control computers to recover an aircraft in an upset prior to proper awareness forthcoming from Airbus via engineering bulletins? The AF accident only brought more poor instruction and confusion to the fore with poorly defined stall philosophy being handed to cadet pilots in a mix up with unreliable airspeed principles.
It's just a mess considering from where our pilot demographics are spawning- and don't sell me a spin on cadet training, its missing the mark by a fair margin!
Last edited by Gnadenburg; 15th January 2016 at 05:35.